Two Muslims walk into a bar.....

[PinaySTEFAN]

;D AQUARIUS2004 is little me, STEFANIA2004.
Manila, Philippines.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

no one is born evil...but the acts they do are evil because they do not have correct morals.

Religion provides morals...God created teh universe and sent his divine laws through messengers so that we may follow them...

to look at arabia before the coming of prophet mohammad (saw) and to look at arabia afterwards...you will truly see the beuty of the divine laws and how much order hey provide in our societies if we implement them correctly in our lives.

sadly muslims of today do not try and maintain that beutiful character of the prophet (saw) instead we revert to arrogance with arrogance by expressing our hatred with evil language...as i read some muslim brothers and sisters doing earlier on in the thread...

if one proclaims their disagreement and slander towards us...we should be patient and answer in words of wisdom...and this is the way of our beloved prophet mohammad (saw)...maybe this way we can show people the beuty of the truth, and act properly as vicegrants of God almighty, glory and praise be to Him.

[Starjade]

Hello there PeaceLuvHarmony: I agree with some of what you say, Not all of it of course. But isnt it a fact that the wars in the Arab world are caused by Muslims who are warring in the name of islam. Isnt it a fact that before a Muslim straps a bomb onto himself to go blow up some building of some Jewish mother and her child that these Muslims will go before their Imam for a blessing and that he will be going to die for the sake in his mind of Islam. And that this Imam would give his blessing and say that the Koran does not say you can do this but then it does not say you cannot either.

It is a good thing to have strong morals and that Bomber has his opinions on what morals are and if he has been taught by islam to behave a certain way and believe a certain thing then isnt it that churches fault if that Muslims goes out and harms some innocent.

[Starjade]

Guest-PinaySTEFAN said:

;D AQUARIUS2004 is little me, STEFANIA2004.
Manila, Philippines.

Well hello there Stefania. I am Starjade the Doomsday prophet.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

well u see no where in islam is the killing of the inoncent justified!! And if muslims do this it is sad to say if their reasoinin on the day of judgement is not with the laws of islam then they will have to endure the punishment.

If you are referring to the self sacrifices in palestine...then i with reason ask you to look at those peoples lives...the families are killed before their very eyes...their beutiful inoncent children are slaughtered...there houses are knocked down...and thus they are left with one thing on their mind how to take revnege...and they do this by the only way they see how.

If you were a reasonable person and one of truth youd recognise the imbalance of power...and also recognise the injustices onboth parties.

The palestinians approach may not be a correct one but that is all they can do cos their lives are destroyed and as weary people with nothing left they respond.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

p.s. as for the wars of islam...Mohammad peace and blessings of God be upon him conquered the hearts of people like no other person in history. (michael hart recognised this and put him 1st out of the 100 worlds best personalitties) and michaeal hart is a non muslim.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

p.s. as for the wars of islam...Mohammad peace and blessings of God be upon him conquered the hearts of people like no other person in history. (michael hart recognised this and put him 1st out of the 100 worlds best personalitties) and michaeal hart is a non muslim.

[Starjade]

Peaceluvharmony. You say: If you are referring to the self sacrifices in palestine...then i with reason ask you to look at those peoples lives...the families are killed before their very eyes...their beutiful inoncent children are slaughtered...there houses are knocked down...

Starjade says: was this before or after a suicide bomber blew up some bus full of women and children in Israel. The law of an eye for an eye alone allows the Jews to respond. So then if a Muslim retaliates then that is continuing the hell.

Peaceluvharmony. You say:
and thus they are left with one thing on their mind how to take revnege...and they do this by the only way they see how.

Starjade says: I am a vengeful soul as well and so I know the minds of the avenger. But you are not explaining things true are you. Muslims indoctrinate a hatred for Jews in their children and so this is brainwashed propaganda warring and not some personal grudge against those who harm their families.

And the Living God said he would bless Abraham and his seed and all who bless Abraham and his seed the Living God will bless. Yet those who curse Abraham and his seed the Living God will Curse. So if a Muslim kills murders mutilates and kills any descendants of Abraham then He is standing against the Living Gods will and is not a religious person for he stands against the Living God of Abraham by harming Abrahams seed.

Starjade says: Had I been in Israel standing as its King in such Times I would have bulldozered down the whole of Palestine as soon as the first Bomb exploded. You just cannot allow that sort of behaviour to continue. And be sure bulldozers would be around in readiness for bulldozering down those blasphemous roman catholic churches.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

By Allah swt, justice will be done Insha'Allah.

To Allah we belong on to Allah is our return.

Those who believe or spread evil will return one day and have to answer...dnt worry that time will come too.

i wish not to debate with a jahil (ignorant)...who has nothing but hatred for all people.

[Starjade]

Luvandharmony eh (cough) you said. Those who believe or spread evil will return one day and have to answer...dnt worry that time will come too.

Starjade says: Deuteronomy Ch 18 Verse 19: And it must occur that the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. I shall myself require an account from him. Be sure I am demanding an account from all Muslims and Christians. I have created a great gnashing of teeth. But then revelations can do that to those false prophet worshippers. So do not expect my sympathy too much.

Luvandharmony eh (cough) you said. i wish not to debate with a jahil (ignorant)...who has nothing but hatred for all people.

Starjade says: Well i do debate with the ignorant or how else will you see the light. Do not be so pompous as to think yourself above me. If you want my respect then go to the Sura 4:82 the errors in the Koran and defend Islam. Then I shall believe you have a backbone and are not just blowing out wind and making up excuses as to why you dare not answer to those errors existing in the Koran.

Sometimes people are turned and feel that hatred for all of mankind. Go ask some Muslim who had the arms and legs blown off his children while the rest of the Muslim world looked on and did nothing. Go ask the Muslim who lost their family in Bombing raids that had nothing at all to do with them. Do not try and tell me that they love their enemies and those who murder maim and mutilate their friends and family.

You’re a shallow person with your I will not do this or that attitude. If there is a hatred then be sure there is a reason and with your attitude you would be too full of yourself to stop and ask. If you cannot respond to the errors in the Koran that have proven the Koran to be false then just who the frell are you to talk.

[PeaceLuvHarmony]

peace

There are no errors in the qur'aan, but you are a lost sole.


Where is your evidence prophet mohammad saw said jesus was that prophet...?? baseless statements..


i can say something controversial like hey the world is gonna end tomorrow because i had a dream God told me in my dream...But that does notmake it the truth but that makes me a liar and makes me delusional.

There are no errors in the quraan the errors are in your mind...because as the above analogy you are making baseless opinionated statements that does not make them factual.

You have no room to tell me about religion all i can see is that you seem to be full of hatred for all...

you seem to be full of contadictions....pointed out baseless oppinionated statements...you admitted to someone called guest that you have contadicted yuorself...so who wants to listen to a liar...you talk about errors in the quraan that arent even there so wot does that make your statements........WEIGHTLESS...POWERLESS...BASELESS!!!

You seem to have no sympathy or empathy thus you are a hard hearted person...

And from what ive read nobody gives a toss about what you hae to say...because no one needs to argue about the truth...the truth speaks for itself...

And ive also read you can drop dead anytime in terms of youre condition...

so Id be careful if i was you...the punishment of the grave is something people dont like to read about never mind endure.

Il give u a tip go watch kill bill 2 and maybe youl realise what it feels like alone in the dark grave...then multiply that feeling by billions and still you wont be clsoe to the despair that will be felt.

[Aquarius2004]

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To Starjade, Helloooo out there....!!! Palestine deserves to have her own borders, her own territories, her own head of state, and her own system of GOVERNMENT, according to her religion and cultueral beliefs! And because Palestine has a establishd RELIGION AND CULTURE, NO FOREIGN POWER has the right to enforce things that are downright FOREIGN. Grandfather Arafat and other militant groups are so determined about their jihad that there seems to be no let-up on thier war against America and Israel. PALESTINE ought to UNITE TOGETHER AND raise her FLAG and SIT ON THE TABLE SO THAT she could finally have what is RIGHTFULLY HER OWN, her independence and sovereignty. Today, she is in JIHAD and does not want to surrender. To surrender is not a sign of weakness but a POSITION OF STRENGTH over the e n e my.
As a result, terriorial disputes would be discussed, their country's BORDERS WOULD BE DEFINED. There would be LAWS, and PALESTINE WOULD FINALLY EMERGE as her OWN POWER, WITH HER OWN ARMY and with a fully-stablishedystem of government. Of course, I am not from PALESTINE

[AQUARIUS2004]

Guest-AQUARIUS2004 said:

THE GOLDEN RULE IS: DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU....






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[Starjade]

Peaceluvharmony you said: U r completely taking things out of context...a tafsir "explanation" is needed to understand the verses of the qur'aan. when you take things out of context obviously everything becomes false. so its not a s simple as u make it out to be.

Starjade says: Peaceluvharmony your another Shirker a Kuffar of the truth. I have named many errors existing in the Koran some also with Suras. So do those errors exist in the Koran. The fact is they do exist in the Koran. Nothing is taken out of contex but all your replies are feeble excuses. The reason why that is is clear, you are not able to argue against common sense.

Sura 4:82 says: Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. And as that Sura clearly says: If errors are found in the Koran than that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. The matter is very clear and that Challenge is for anyone to test themselves and Islam with.

Well I have Challenged Islam and in front of your faces and I won and Islam lost. The Sura 4:82 showed the way. And you now make excuses up for the statements made in that Sura. Why not be a man and come online and say Yes Starjade I looked those errors up and they do exist in the Koran. Why are you so afraid of the truth. Is it because of the inevitable outcome of that revelation. For if the Koran did not come from God then Muhammads word is proven to be untrustworthy. And imagine that then. And things are as simple as they are. In fact the matter of proving the Koran did not come from God is something I found too easy.

Now you can ignore the Islamic law that I have invoked and the Sura 4:82 and continue to worship and promote the worship of a proven false Prophet who did not come from God and who was presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name. But if you do then that is Blasphemy to the one true Living God. For the Living God has said we must not follow false prophets or false Gods. And with Muhammad proven to be a fraud. The you worship the God of Muhammads own ideals and imaginations of what he wants his god to be like. Then where is your Salvation.


Peaceluvharmony you said:
Prophet moses was told there will be a prophet who will come that will speak the word of God...prophet jesus was sent with a book it was all reveled in totality...

Starjade says: Yes Deuteronomy Ch 18 v 15. That is where that prophecy of the prophet God promised he would raise up is written. And you and I both know that Muhammad has claimed himself to be that very prophet don’t we. That is something that we both know. It is Islamic history and a known fact that Muhammad has claimed that he is that specific Prophet in fact you also believe his word was true.

And then you speak of Jesus. Now I also know of Christianity and I know that the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be is that very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

You and I both know that Muhammad believed in jesus and considered jesus to be that prophet Jesus was acclaimed as being. But he was unaware as are many Muslims. That the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples claimed Jesus to be is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

The Koran has 11 chapters all glorifying Jesus as being a Prophet. But it is not a Christian religion and its writers did not know the Christians all claim that Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Now it cannot be possible for Jesus and Muhammad to be the same person and so one or the other or both must be lying and mistaken.

Yet Old testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a religious witness law that determines matters of the truth. And the fact is that both Jesus and Muhammad have no witnesses to their claims and none of their Testimonies can be established by old Testament law. As both Jesus and Muhammad are claimed to be descendants of Abraham then that Old Testament law binds them both. That law how ever proves that they are both frauds.
And what is this book you say Jesus came with as it is not known in Christianity. As for the claimed book the Koran well the Sura 4:82 shows that is of mans invention. And should you read Chapter 29 of Isaiah you can see why Muhammad made the Cave claims that he did and being so unlearned even though Islamic History shows Muhammad was more learned than Muslims claim.


Peaceluvharmony you said:
prophet mohammad pbuh was sent revelations that he used to speak onto the people who used to make a record of wot was sed...after teh dath of the prophet pbuh then all of it was gathered together and compiled into a book.

Starjade says: Well first the Sura 4:82 shows the Koran did not come from God but was of mans invention. So whiles Muhammad had an audience to voice his opinions. His opinions are not revelations. If you read all my writing here in this forum and the many like it around the world then you would see what real Revelations are. Look at those many errors in the Koran for instance isn’t that a revelation.

[Starjade]

Aquarius2004 you said: To Starjade, Helloooo out there....!!! Palestine deserves to have her own borders, her own territories, her own head of state, and her own system of GOVERNMENT, according to her religion and cultueral beliefs!

Starjade says. I would agrea with you but the word deserve does not sit right with me. If they lived there before Israel’s people then wasn’t it supposed to be a right. And the Government there allows suicide bombers to go into Israel and blow up women and children. Now in reality you just would not want such things coming living next to you.


Aquarius2004 you said:
And because Palestine has a establishd RELIGION AND CULTURE, NO FOREIGN POWER has the right to enforce things that are downright FOREIGN.

Starjade says: Well islam has fallen the Koran has been proven to be false and so there is no religion there is only a Blasphemy. I agree that no Foreign Power should stick its nose into their business but then they get that right to do that when Muslims strap Bombs onto themselves and go into those countries and blow themselves and women and children up. I have always said. The Arabs control the Oil so stop supplying those foreign countries with Oil and their war machines will be immobilised.

Aquarius2004 you said:
Grandfather Arafat and other militant groups are so determined about their jihad that there seems to be no let-up on thier war against America and Israel.

Starjade says: the living God has said he will curse all those who curse Abraham and his seed. So Muslims will lose that warring. I have my own Jihad going on with Britain and its Blasphemous Crown. But mine is a true religious war.

Aquarius2004 you said:
PALESTINE ought to UNITE TOGETHER AND raise her FLAG and SIT ON THE TABLE SO THAT she could finally have what is RIGHTFULLY HER OWN, her independence and sovereignty.

Starjade says: You speak of sovereignty. Yet you have no King. I am Lord King of all the jews. (oh I know that you wont believe that statement but it can be proven to be true. I already advised the jews to sell off the Land of Israel for larger tracts of land in Africa. Had they hearkened to my words many of those troubles in the middle east would have ended. But whiles suicide Bombers come out of Palestine to murder women and children well then who can blame Israel for an eye for an eye retaliation. And that also Propagates the Palestinians and so it is an ever increasing circle. Only radical divine intervention can ever bring peace to those mid east regions.

Aquarius2004 you said:
Today, she is in JIHAD and does not want to surrender. To surrender is not a sign of weakness but a POSITION OF STRENGTH over the e n e my. As a result, terriorial disputes would be discussed, their country's BORDERS WOULD BE DEFINED. There would be LAWS, and PALESTINE WOULD FINALLY EMERGE as her OWN POWER, WITH HER OWN ARMY and with a fully-stablishedystem of government. Of course, I am not from PALESTINE

Starjade says: I have seen documentaries of Palestine where they taught their children to hate the Jews. I laughed at a point because all Arabs are Jews and they are so ignorant to that truth. But the hatred the Palestinians put in the minds of their children against Israel was and is an abhorration against God.

I am the only man on earth who has any hope of bringing Peace to the Middle east. But that only opens up other cans of worms especially with my own Jihad against the Crown of England. And then there are my Revelations that you may know puts Islam in a very dark place. But my intent on that Exodus of Jews is serious and they will have to move from their current lands in that Exodus to Africa. So one day no Jew would live on those lands. Either they Exodus away as I have advised or they die alongside their Muslim enemies whose corpses will also be rotting upon the ground.

I can see this planets wars and horrors but I must continue with my own agendas as that preparation is for the End of Times.