Wrong attitude

[Sand4sale]

Why do so many Muslims kill other Muslims? I know killing and revenge are a big part of the Muslim way. It says so on this web page at the homepage. The quote from the Koran says to take revenge on your neighbor. But why kill so many innocent people even your own?

[Mohammad Mobin]

You might remember what President Bush said about his friends either you are with us or you are against us you cannot be midway, or in between loyalties or antagonism. Exactly the same way Allah has said in the Quran that you have to enter the fold of Islam completely and submit to His will completely no half-hearted operations or loyalties are required rather He says that those who depart from His teachings are castaways.

It is clearly mentioned in the Quran but now that Muslims so called Muslims are divided into scores of sects (though in Islam there is no sect at all - The Shias, the Qadianis,or Ahmedis )whom the West favour very much {do you know why ?} the Bahais, The Khizris,
and scores of other enjoy being called Muslims but as per Quranic Criterion they are no where near that term/

Further the West is afraid of the spread of Islam (see how fast Islam is sprteading in the USA and Europe
not by the sword but by actual choice of those reverts
that the West is flabbergasted.So they want to hold the spread of Islam by spreading mischief. All the political activities in the Mid Esat, Pakistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Afghanistan Iraq, Palestine and other Muslim majority areas like Kashmir
etc are deliberately overplayed by the West by pumping in money and making brothers fight amongst themselves. You know Sir, by these mischieveous acts the West gains some victory against the Muslim people but rest assure that all their gains will vanish in the Hereafter. Read Allah's guidance on this from the Holy Quran. Pick up any version by honest translators and read for yourself.If you are not biased you will surely understand .
Read about Prophet Muhammad SAW and read the book
which was revealed to him and also his traditions from authentic Islamic sources and you will then understand about Islam and Muslims (real MUslims not the hypocrites most of whom are rulers in Muslim lands -very cunningly posted by the West.But as the present day Muslims are drunk with money, wine, women and music dancing the West will surely gain since these are their assets by which they hold on to their power and followers (satan holds the charge now=adays) becasue all that glitters is considered gold by the peoples of today throughout everywhere. Only a handful of Christians, Jews and real MUslims hate the Satanic ways but more than 95% are just Satanic followers

So do not blame Islam or Muslims and know that the rejoicing of the West over their victory on so called Islamic forces
is short-lived . Islam shall sprout in your own backyard and perhaps your near and dear ones whom if Allah will guide none can stop them from reverting to the Straight path.

May Allah's peace be upon you and your family and May He show you all the Straight Path. Ameen !!

Mohammad Mobin

[~*Fatima_Amal*~]

Asalam Alaikum,

Yes dear Mobin. I feel the same..though I do not know why the West favor some...might you inform me? I am not of any sect..I do not know the differences between sects. I know we are all Muslims and brothers and sisters and that is all that matters in Allahs eyes. I understand that one must go in whole-heartedly, but what in the event that it is not possible for their family doesnt approve?I am one who is having trouble being able to pray and because my family..They ,1.) do not want me to convert, and 2.) My parents do not know that I has already accepted it in my heart and there for do not give me the time to pray. I has been praying in secret for the past 3 weeks and I am very troubled for it is hard for me to pray all five times and I do not even know if I am doing it correctly.I know how to do Wuddo and I do that everytime before I pray to be clean of my sins. I am told that I am supposed to say things but I do not know what to say.
Al-Fatihad..I must memorize that I know..but until I do is prayer still valid? Might you help me please? Thank you so much dear brother (hope I guessed right, the name sort of tells me) May the blessings and Peace of Allah be with you and your family at all times...Allah Hafiz....

[Mohammad Mobin]

Dear sister Fatima : Walaikum-us-salaam!!

I can tell you the reasons why the West favours some and imposes war on others(Afghanistan(Of Taliban) Iraq
Pakistan(expected sooner or later ?) Indonesia (Aceh)
Phillipines (midanao islands),supporting Israel and creating havoc in the Middle East (eyeing Saudi Arabia's
Mecca and Medina with great hatred and jealousy and hoping to capture them some time to put the Muslims on their knees (but they do not know that these cities are protected by Allah and I would love to see them attack these whereupon they will surely see the Power of Allah and the strengths of the Muslims around the world who will certainly unite in such a circumstance and give the Kafirs a befitting response.)

But first your immediate problems of practicing Islam-- saying your prayers etc.

So please send your e:mail address to me so that I can assist you in understanding Islam. May Allah bless you
with the Light of the Quran and Islam.
My e:mail address is : [e-mail]

[steelv]

i am sorry, but despite my best efforts to keep an open mind, i simply cannot believe that. i do not understand why the west fears a spread of islam. the west is not one person, just as muslims are not one person. to say this is to extremely generalize "the west" into an extremely innaccurate reprisentation. i will admit that i am american, i am white, and i am not muslim. however, i would like to believe that i understand much about islam as well as world events. before you pre-judge me, please no that i deeply respect islam, as i have been interested in it and have researched it for a good while, i dislike bush, i dislike the israeli government, i know that the christian crusades were unjust and should never have happened (contrary to the belief and argument of many muslims, the average ignorant american does not even know what the crusades were), i do not think that islam is responsible for terrorism, the opression of women, or anything of the like. it seems that the west is viewed as money grubbing, dishonorable, perverted (sexually and ethically), and very devious in reaching its own ends. i agree, there are many many westerners that you could look to in order to see perfect examples of the above said qualities. however, there are also great examples of this in any muslim country. sadam hussein (while obviously not a threat to the US, or a supporter of the al quieda organization) is not a moral person, osama bin laden is also an easily seen example, and it is not just political figureheads who oppose the US. everyday people who are muslim are just as fallable as western people. have you ever heard of an honor killing? or throwing acid upon a woman's face because of a marital problem? or a pakistani tribe sentancing a young teenage girl to gang rape because her brother was molested by men from another villiage? none of these things are supported by islam, but muslims still commit these brutal acts. it is obviously not all muslims, as there are many gifted, intelligent, and compassionate muslim people as well. but the simple declaration "the west hates islam and does bad things to keep it from spreading" is just as ignorant as "islam creats terrorists." israel and the west DO commit atrocities. the israeli armed forces are sickeningly sloppy when targeting those viewed as threats to israel, often times killing innocent people without second thought. this IS WRONG. these atrocities are not limited to the west. the HAMAS kill innocent people as well. hussein gassing kurds. in africa, huge civil wars between christian and muslim forces end in horrible indescriminate killing from both sides. that is also VERY wrong. would i agree that the US government is manipulative, selfish, and all in all evil? yes, i would readily agree to that. look at the taliban. the entire government was based on islam. they were just as selfish and "evil" as the US. they incorrectly interpretted the koran, edited it, reprinted it into a version meeting their own needs. they not only supported, but created legislation that not only oppressed, but tortured afghani women. religeously suppressed any and everyone else (when all religeons should be treated with love and respect yes? as it says in the 25 questions of a non muslim. those not "satisfactorily" muslim were killed.) if you were to say that these are lies, i can tell you they are not. the woman i love emigrated to the US because the taliban attampted to kill her and her family. this is not because islam is bad, it is because PEOPLE are bad. am i correct when i say that allah is the same god found in christianity and judaism? to say that islam is invalid is as hypocritical as it is to say that christianity or judaism is. the principles, the underlying message is the same in all. there is one correct religion, and it can not be sufficiently described as "jewish", "christian", or "muslim," but rather is the message of all three, the same that every religion teaches. compassion, love, kindness, and devotion to god. people will be led astray, and it cannot be blamed on anything but human nature. you may ask why western people hate islam. there are multiple answers. most americans did not know very much at all about islam, the first thing many of them learned about it is that "islam incited the 9/11 attacks." islam did not, politics did. the average american does not understand this, as their first vision of islam was one of hate upon them, and was definately NOT according to islamic principle. now, there have been many other terrorist attacks on americans/westerners that were not islamically inspired. the oklahoma city bombing, IRA car bombings, and the DC sniper shootings being prime examples. so why do americans/westerners so easily blame islam for terrorism? the answer is simple, fear. the same human fault that causes all of humanity's atrocity. islam is made of brown people, which are foreign, and therefore much easier to fear that people of your own skin color. this goes both ways, as the average ignorant muslim blames the west for atrocity and greediness. this is a very easy thing to fall prey to, and is much easier to do than blame one's self. the average american does not know of america accidentally/sloppily killing arab civillians in bombings, or supporting israeli government supported terorism against muslims, or of america's huge libido for oil. all they know is that a group of people calling themselves muslim killed thousands of people on sept. 11, and that for "no good reason" the entire arab world hates the US. it is fact that muslims have good reason to fear the US as the US is careless, greedy, and has often in the past harmed them. but in that same sense, americans have good reason to fear muslims, who unjustly commit acts just as horrible. this continues because each side is ignorant of its own wrongdoing. perhaps even beyond ignorance, going on even to willful denial. the continual violence from both sides, regardless of who started it. violence begets violence. why did i go on this rant? because reading this post, as well as much of this site angered and offended me. i felt that it was a one sided incorrect view. no i dont think it should be removed from the internet or anything like that, but i feel as if more careful and precise thought is needed before making such claims and generalizations. i am white, and from the west. yet i do not hate you, i do not hate islam, and i would not be upset to see it spread through good deeds, even/especially through the west. please do not label me that way. also, if what you want is peace, and i hope you do as much as i, then i think we can bothagree that the only way to stop violence is to stop all retalliation, as all it does is create a)more violence, and b)unfortunate innocent victims. if you agree or disagree, please feel free to reply without fear of verbal retaliation or anger. i would be very interested in what you think about what i have said. thank you for taking the time to read this very long post. have a great day.

[Mohammad Mobin]

Dear Mr. Steelv:

Thanks for your great contribution. You are very right in saying every thing that you have said. I fully agree with you. In the Quran Allah has stated clearly that if any one should kill another person without rhyme or reason
that person will go to hell. (The Muslims must note that they are no exception. Muhammad will not save him on the day of judgement as most Muslims are likely to believe. There is a passage in the Quran which states that when the angels shall be dragging along a group of Muslims to hell, Muhammad will ask the engels why they are being taken to hell. The angels will reply these are innovators in Islam i.e. those who have added ideas from their own in Islam. ) So you see the justice system of Allah. His Criterion (i.e. Quran ) applies equally to all His creations.

You are right. Our God and every one's God is the same God whom we call Allah and He is very just. On the day of Judgement He will judge each one based on the "syllabus" which was applicable during the period of one's stay/duration in this world.
by Psalms(zaboor) (David/Dawood alaihissalaam)
by Torah (Taurait)(Moses/Moosa Alaihissalaam)
by Bible (Injeel) (Jesus/Essa Alaihissalaam)
by Koran(Quran) (Muhammad Sallaho alaihiwasallam)
the last syllabus is applicable till the end of this world/
Doomsday.

This is the muslims belief and you can study all the Heavenly books, read all the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad i.e. available in many languages thoroughout the world and then unbiasedly draw your conclusions.
I invite you to read the in the Quran the Chaper :The Table Spread " = Surah 5 Maida verses 109 till verse 120. Then, pls. give your understanding and belief. What does your heart/conscience tell you ?

Best wishes towards understanding Islam through knowledge and logical reasoning.

Mohammad Mobin

[Steelv]

i think i would enjoy very much to read it. thank you for the suggestion, and it is good to know that i am not totally crazy. thanks a lot have a good one :-D

[Keith]

There is one God, and His name is not Allah, His name is Jehovah, also Jesus Christ, also Holy Spirit. Show me the empty tomb of Allah or any other god, besides that of Jesus Christ. He was observed by over 500 witnesses after His resurrection. Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with Jesus Christ, whose blood alone can provide for the forgiveness of sin.
Praise the Lord.

[Dhzokhar]

Sand4sale revenge is not a major part of islam. What you need to look at is the Sharia law and the court system in Islam. Very similiar to the court system in the west, which was inspired by islam, the first judges were in islam. A man cannot simply go out and kill someone else, it is done through the courts. This is the Muslim way. And if the offender is found guilty and his crime is that bad to be punished by capital punishment then it is up to the victim weather the offender will be executed or not. if the victim forgives the offeder he/she is given blood money and a great reward in paradise for forgiveness is one of the basis of Islam.
You talk about killing innocent people. How is the offender innocent if he has commited the offence? And killing innocent people is against the rules of Jihaad so what is the basis for your statement?

[Keith]

Jesus Christ said himself, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me. Allah is not, has not been, and never will be the same as the One true God.

[Dhzokhar]

Salaam Kieth. Jesus also made the revelation that another would come after him, the revelation of Muhammmad SAW. In the Quraan kareem he is honoured too:
“Almighty Allah says: “Say ye: we believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to Allah (in Islam).” (Al-Baqarah: 136)

“Behold! the angels said: ‘O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.” (Al `Imran: 45)

[Derick]

i think Keith should also read deutoronomy 18:18 and tell me his comments

[Yusuf Abdullah]

Bissmillahi-Rahmani-Raheem
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


I bear witness there is no Diety worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

Guest-Keith said:

Jesus Christ said himself, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me….

Jesus PBUH said that?

That's funny, I didn't know he spoke English!!!!!

My point is that Christians say the Bible is 100% the word of God even though it has been translated be a man.

After you add a man in the mix, it can no longer be 100% exactly as it was in it's original form due to linguistic limitations.

Besides that fact, I would like to just add in that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad(SAW) is his final Messenger.

Your interpretation of the Biblical quote made attempts to make it look as if Jesus(PBUH) were commanding that the only way to Allah (Arabic term for: The God) was through intercession of himself. While if this quote was true, all he could be saying is that the only way to Allah is by following himself, and the path that was sent through him.

But I will leave that alone for now because there is no point in arguing about interpretation. Let me make it clear, Jesus(PBUH) the son of Mary never accepted or claimed worship no matter who says other wise, he only said (translation of the meaning of what he said) was “Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.” – Qur’an 3:51

And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' [Catholics say that Mary is the “mother of God”] " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). - Qur'an 5:116-117

And Jesus (PBUH) the son of Mary was never resurrected because he was never crucified.
….And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)….. - Qur’an 4:157.

Even within the Bible it can be clearly seen that Jesus(PBUH) never wanted to be crusified as he Fell To His Face (As all prophets of Allah submit themselves as Muslims) and prayed asking for the cup of death to be passed from him.

Matthew 26:39
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

And Hebrews 5:7 saying that he was heard in that which he feared (death)

Hebrews 5:7
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

You can give me all that talk about it was the flesh side of him or whatever, but that cannot be true as your blasphemous beliefs of him being the son of God would at least make him worthy enough to have his prayers answered!!!!

….and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]

Qur’an 4:157.[/center][/i]


Jesus The Son of Mary (PBUH) is not God, he is not the Son of God, he is no part divine, but rather all parts man, he ate and drank as men do. He was sent here to dwell among the humans because he was a human and nothing but human. He was a pious slave of Allah who was raised to the Heavens in ordered to be saved from death, he was the Messiah son of Mary. And when his time comes he will return to this world and fulfill the rest of his life, and he will slaughter the Messeeh ad-Dajjal (the false Messiah ie: the antichrist:

I bear witness that there is no Deity except Allah, and bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah!

Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
Qur’an 3:59

[JonGotti]

Guest-Mohammad said:

You might remember what President Bush said about his friends either you are with us or you are against us you cannot be midway, or in between loyalties or antagonism. Exactly the same way Allah has said in the Quran that you have to enter the fold of Islam completely and submit to His will completely no half-hearted operations or loyalties are required rather He says that those who depart from His teachings are castaways.

It is clearly mentioned in the Quran but now that Muslims so called Muslims are divided into scores of sects (though in Islam there is no sect at all - The Shias, the Qadianis,or Ahmedis )whom the West favour very much {do you know why ?} the Bahais, The Khizris,
and scores of other enjoy being called Muslims but as per Quranic Criterion they are no where near that term/

Further the West is afraid of the spread of Islam (see how fast Islam is sprteading in the USA and Europe
not by the sword but by actual choice of those reverts
that the West is flabbergasted.So they want to hold the spread of Islam by spreading mischief. All the political activities in the Mid Esat, Pakistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Afghanistan Iraq, Palestine and other Muslim majority areas like Kashmir
etc are deliberately overplayed by the West by pumping in money and making brothers fight amongst themselves. You know Sir, by these mischieveous acts the West gains some victory against the Muslim people but rest assure that all their gains will vanish in the Hereafter. Read Allah's guidance on this from the Holy Quran. Pick up any version by honest translators and read for yourself.If you are not biased you will surely understand .
Read about Prophet Muhammad SAW and read the book
which was revealed to him and also his traditions from authentic Islamic sources and you will then understand about Islam and Muslims (real MUslims not the hypocrites most of whom are rulers in Muslim lands -very cunningly posted by the West.But as the present day Muslims are drunk with money, wine, women and music dancing the West will surely gain since these are their assets by which they hold on to their power and followers (satan holds the charge now=adays) becasue all that glitters is considered gold by the peoples of today throughout everywhere. Only a handful of Christians, Jews and real MUslims hate the Satanic ways but more than 95% are just Satanic followers

So do not blame Islam or Muslims and know that the rejoicing of the West over their victory on so called Islamic forces
is short-lived . Islam shall sprout in your own backyard and perhaps your near and dear ones whom if Allah will guide none can stop them from reverting to the Straight path.

May Allah's peace be upon you and your family and May He show you all the Straight Path. Ameen !!

Mohammad Mobin

See thats where people get too carried away. Nobody is afraid of Islam or any other Religion . Beleive what you want. Thats the beauty of freedom. You can even tell people what you like. Thats OK too :)But when you try to force something on someone its not cool and too say stuff like the west is trying to stop the spread of Islam by speadinng Mischief? Cmon give me a break.Its like this really. If you like what your doing and you aint bothering anybody or hurting anybody, then God Bless ya its cool with me and you move on with your buisness. Is that so hard?

[Hasbiallah]

Yes i agree with you Jongotti it will never be alright to force something on someone.And the west is not afraid of Islam at all,but a portion of its population is.The west is not spreading mischief by what as Mohammd Mobin have wrote.It is not spreading anything at all.Their political activities are never overplayed by the USA,EXCEPT maybe in Iraq or Afghanistan.In Afghanistan it is a puppet regime while in Iraq the muslims there aren't going to let them do the same as now the USA have to give the power to the elected muslims there not the one elected by the USA.

So USA is much better than muslim countries as muslims are allowed to practice their faith there,while in Majority muslim countries You are forced into practising a faith that have been iterpreted by their corrupt govts.

in conclusion Islam is real and that it is forbidden to force it into someone's lives.