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Post by Starjade on Sept 20, 2004 4:41:38 GMT -5
Regarding those Christians. In the end it is always their evil on show they are the Clu clux clan they are the slave traders they are the repressors of mankind. When you look at wars it is always the Christians. Adolph Hilter was a Roman Catholic Choir boy who wanted to be one of their Priests and so nuff siad eh. Christians are without any doubt a force mainly of evil. Of Course Islam is closing in on Christians with their atrocities.
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Post by Peter on Sept 26, 2004 17:50:08 GMT -5
What puzzles me is that if Allah Is The only true God and there are no others. And if Allah is Perfect in all his greatness. Then who is responsible for creating the 50% of imperfect flawed people that are infidels??? A perfect God would not create an imperfect reflection of himself. Is it not the people of Islam then that put there God in the class of being imperfect And disrespect his name by suggesting or making claims that he has created half of what is defective and therefore retards of his making? I think you all need to quit disrespecting our god and saying that he created anything less then perfect and get with program. You counterdict yourselfs from the core of what is real. You should be embracing all of Allahs perfect creations and seeing them as anything but less then that. Instead your doing acts and quoting verse that portray and state that he is a creator of misfits,, and it is your duty to clean up his mess of imperfect creations. You have surely let Allahs only true enemy win a victory by causing this false belief that there could be imperfect creations among us. Respect our god and stop this false belief !!! Somewhere we have lost all reason of that which is absurd and that which is not,,, and its absurd to believe we are to worship and serve a God of perfection that by your ideas apparently is not. Prophet yourselves fools and then you may see the light.
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Post by Starjade on Sept 27, 2004 5:14:19 GMT -5
Clearly it is man who is flawed and whos genetics and teachings created those flaws. So it is mans fault not Gods.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 7:02:19 GMT -5
Aleeyah i saw picture of those Bombers and they has waist belts with explosives typical Islamic attack suicide Bombers. Now such people are well organised and think matters out before they act. Sure they will take along loony novices to make up the numbers but this was planned beforehand with a full knowledge of the consequences. They were without doubt Islamic militants and not just some farmer or grocer from chechyna. Did you see the ages of the babies and those children that they attacked and killed. that is yet another shame for Islam. What form of man would do such evil such things can only be done by demons and the living Gods anger will blaze and those who did those things will be cast into Hell. If that had happened to me and what would i have done. i would have nuked Chechnya and bulldozered down all islamic churches in russia and outlawed islam and ejectes those followers out of that country. Those Russion will enforece a milder form of an eye for an eye but my way stops such things for good. Its called leading with an iron Rod. And if such placecs have men and women intent on such atrocity then they are deserving of terrible fate. I also have lost my own children. I grieve for them day and night all the Time and so i understand that grief and give me a gun i will kill those who took them from me. But there are times when you have to make a stand and control of yourself to realise what is right and what is wrong. Those Children did not war on those people they were innocents. yet they were killed. ************************************* A) did you realize that there were also Muslims among these children, also among those who died ? Whatever "religious" motivations the culprits may have had it was a political affair, and it was NOT T H E Chechens or THE Muslims, but simply a particular group of people B) you are generalizing. Muslims all over Russia had nothing to do with what went on there, and could NOT do anything about it. Your arguments sound a bit like delayed echos of Mr Goebbels (info-minister of the German Empire during 1000 years)
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 7:05:48 GMT -5
Muslims are scum ,even if you are oppressed,you can't kill children .One day I swear that this religion you call your own will get a bullet in everyone of your cowardly ass's I know what your going to say ,little minded American . let me give you something to chew on ,if it wasn't for politic's we would slaugther every last one of you . And that day isn't to far off,so I welcome a terrorist attack because that will make us step it up 10 folds. and don't come at me with the bullnuts that we are getting are asses kick in Irap either because thats a load of crap,the only thing saving your COWARDLY ASSES is the woman and children that you hide behind. And that wont last forever either .When we are done killing you all we will give you a bath in your favorite nuts,Pigs blood .I'm done ! ****************************************** It was NOT "Muslims" in your generalizing ways. It was a political group. And the trouble in Iraq rather is that those extremists do NOT have the courage to attack more Americans and therefore let other fellow Arabs suffer.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 7:09:21 GMT -5
Your a stupid pregnant dog so shut the f**k up idiot. ********************************* Instead of getting down to primitive levels, you might rather realize that the matter in question was NOT a religious but a regional political matter. And while Russians and "Westerners" for a while spoke about Arabs among the culprits, even the Russian authorities had to admit that NONE of the culprits were Arabs. They declared it as an error while I declare it as a LIE and an untrue accusation !
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Post by Starjade on Oct 26, 2004 7:45:08 GMT -5
I do not listen to Islamic propaganda anymore than i listen to britsish and american propaganda. We are not fools and when those suicide bombers go off to oblivian they shout that they die for Islam and so they bring grief to your congregations not anyone else. Russians do not have religion do they. Only a few brainwashed settlers.
I am not blind and i know the dress code of an Islamic bomber. Those souls were trained by Islamic fighters. They acted as i would expect a she ite to behave but i believe the she ite may have more integredy. Beside if Islams followers start getting grief every time a bomber murders hundreds of Children then you lot will be against them also wont you.
I advised the Muslims not to war in Chechyna but they did not listen to me and now look how they live in ruins. And they are not free. But they are already in their own country but it is a war zone as are many Muslim countries.
You are being very nieve if you think that it was not Muslims who blew them selves up in Russia killing those Children. Do not assume that the rest of the world is that stupid that they believe as you do and Islamic followers would be the wise to realise that your religion will not save you but will condemn you.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 12:39:40 GMT -5
I do not listen to Islamic propaganda anymore than i listen to britsish and american propaganda. We are not fools and when those suicide bombers go off to oblivian they shout that they die for Islam and so they bring grief to your congregations not anyone else. Russians do not have religion do they. Only a few brainwashed settlers. I am not blind and i know the dress code of an Islamic bomber. Those souls were trained by Islamic fighters. They acted as i would expect a she ite to behave but i believe the she ite may have more integredy. Beside if Islams followers start getting grief every time a bomber murders hundreds of Children then you lot will be against them also wont you. I advised the Muslims not to war in Chechyna but they did not listen to me and now look how they live in ruins. And they are not free. But they are already in their own country but it is a war zone as are many Muslim countries. You are being very nieve if you think that it was not Muslims who blew them selves up in Russia killing those Children. Do not assume that the rest of the world is that stupid that they believe as you do and Islamic followers would be the wise to realise that your religion will not save you but will condemn you. *************************************** **********************************3 Well, it is easy to say that the endeavour for liberation and independence undertaken by the Chechnians was/is senseless. And they of course profited from Muslim solidarity, but the whole exercise was without much chance due to the military superiority of the Russians. I in the late 80ies convinced a Senegalese to convert to Islam. He later on went as a fighter to Chechnya to support the Chechens and fell in battle. Whenever I would have advised him against going, I understood and accepted his idealistic motives. --- The concept of the self-sacrifice attacker may be OK in actions of real self-defence or real defence of other Muslims, but NOT, absolutely NOT in the framework of the taking hostage of children and murdering them. Many such folks not only declare so but presumably really believe to be self-sacrifice fighters in the religious way. But more often than the contrary, their actions are worthless and senseless.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 12:43:23 GMT -5
I do not listen to Islamic propaganda anymore than i listen to britsish and american propaganda. We are not fools and when those suicide bombers go off to oblivian they shout that they die for Islam and so they bring grief to your congregations not anyone else. Russians do not have religion do they. Only a few brainwashed settlers. I am not blind and i know the dress code of an Islamic bomber. Those souls were trained by Islamic fighters. They acted as i would expect a she ite to behave but i believe the she ite may have more integredy. Beside if Islams followers start getting grief every time a bomber murders hundreds of Children then you lot will be against them also wont you. I advised the Muslims not to war in Chechyna but they did not listen to me and now look how they live in ruins. And they are not free. But they are already in their own country but it is a war zone as are many Muslim countries. You are being very nieve if you think that it was not Muslims who blew them selves up in Russia killing those Children. Do not assume that the rest of the world is that stupid that they believe as you do and Islamic followers would be the wise to realise that your religion will not save you but will condemn you. ****************************** I did NOT say they were NOT Muslims. They were Chechnyan Muslims. But they were NOT Arabs ! And the Russians had declared to the media that there Arabs among them ! The action there apparently did NOT even find approval among a majority of Chechens and was clearly disapproved by most Muslims the world over.
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Post by Starjade on Oct 27, 2004 6:00:03 GMT -5
AnwarAmir you say: Well, it is easy to say that the endeavour for liberation and independence undertaken by the Chechnians was/is senseless. And they of course profited from Muslim solidarity, but the whole exercise was without much chance due to the military superiority of the Russians.
Starjade says: Chechnians should have taken heed of history. Russians died in their millions defending Russia against Germany and others. So they would not allow any country in their domain to be independent and why should they it is their land and as those Chechnians are in Russia then they are Russians too and should be proud to be a part of a massive nation that would go to war to protect them as well as any other Russian. Those Chechnians went about things the wrong way. Now look at how they live. They did too much dreaming that they convinced themselves that their way would work. But cold reality dawned upon them. I did warn them but they did not hearken and now they are in the position I forewarned them about a long time ago. They brought it on themselves.
AnwarAmir you say: I in the late 80ies convinced a Senegalese to convert to Islam. He later on went as a fighter to Chechnya to support the Chechens and fell in battle. Whenever I would have advised him against going, I understood and accepted his idealistic motives.
Starjade says: Well the convert to Islam was not a good idea as Islam has fallen and been proven to be a false religion. History proves that he would lose if he went to war. So whiles it is good to dream it is not so good when those dreams stand against reality and become nightmares that others have to live and die with. If a rabid dog bites then be the wise not to go pat it on the head.
AnwarAmir you say: The concept of the self-sacrifice attacker may be OK in actions of real self-defence or real defence of other Muslims, but NOT, absolutely NOT in the framework of the taking hostage of children and murdering them. Many such folks not only declare so but presumably really believe to be self-sacrifice fighters in the religious way. But more often than the contrary, their actions are worthless and senseless.
Starjade says: I agree they did more harm to islam by their acts. And yes only religious assassins would be so cold blooded in their deaths. And that religion like it or not was Islamic not Christian Jews or Buddhists they were Islamic. And that reflects upon Islam and all who follow Islam and who can blame anyone for think that way. Only the law of an eye for an eye could justify their acts but the deed could not be justified for mankind should be the wise to be better than that. And if it does not then just what has it become.
Someone plotted that atrocity and those who did the hostage taking went there to die. They know the Russians do not take a stance on terror attacks and they will come in and get them no matter what. So they knew they would die. And they knew all those children around them who are innocents to our evil world would be their victims. Where is the righteousness in that? Now if I was that Russian leader I would have gone full force on Chechnya and flattened it to the ground.
Those bombers were well trained and ruthless. The belts of bombs on their waste were of typical Islamic bombers dress code. These were more than civilians getting justice these were trained to do just what they did do. I personally see the suicide assassin to be the ultimate warrior. I would want an army of such people. But not when they do things like terrorise children and blow those innocents to pieces. That was just pure cold blooded Evil.
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Post by Starjade on Oct 27, 2004 6:08:24 GMT -5
AnwarAmir you said: I did NOT say they were NOT Muslims. They were Chechnyan Muslims. But they were NOT Arabs ! And the Russians had declared to the media that there Arabs among them !
Starjade says: I have no doubt that those trained were trained in some Arabic country no matter what their nationality is. And Islam came from the Arabs and so they share that blame like it or not. Their religion controls the minds of those people and they are persuaded that there is justice in their actions. But as I am a Judge let me say only the law of an eye for an eye could be considered in memory of those other babies and children that Russian bombings killed. Those who lost such children do have a right to vengeance but only if the other side started it. But they did not did they. Chechyians started those wars and against the wise words of starjade who did warn them that this war will never be won against Russia. Sometime fate just has to be accepted.
And my view when I saw those bombers is that they were not from Chechyna but others who had travelled their to assist them in their warring. Only their tactics are more hard core.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 27, 2004 17:59:03 GMT -5
They WERE from Chechnya and Dagestan and Ingushetia, that is known now. They were NOT from somewhere else. And it was Russia which conquered that geographical area in the times of Czaress Katharina II and it was the Russians who oppressed Chechnyans and Dagestanis and Ingushetians for centuries since the time of the great Czaress.
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Post by Starjade on Oct 28, 2004 8:22:23 GMT -5
They WERE from Chechnya and Dagestan and Ingushetia, that is known now. They were NOT from somewhere else. Starjade says: they may have come from those regions but they have lived and were trained elsewhere. Starjade says: Well perhaps those Chechyand have the right but not the force and it is Russian land now. All countries were founded upon invaders. So how come those Chechyans decided to fight for their land back now.
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Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 29, 2004 19:20:52 GMT -5
It is NOT Russian land ! It is inhabited by Chechens. And it only is occupied by Russian troops. It is the right of the Chechens to struggle for their freedom and their independence !
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Post by Starjade on Nov 1, 2004 8:56:32 GMT -5
Those Russians sure think Chechyna is their land and they do not give up their territories. As for the country itself look at the rubble and the chaos the death and the misery. It does not look like a good place to live by me. Russia will not spend funds re building and war continues. Now is that a way for any Chechnians to bring up their children. I did advise them at the time that their war was fruitless to save them from this misery but they of course had their own minds. They just did not have their wits about them and now Misery shall dwell in their houses at least for their lifetimes.
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