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Post by servant of almighty on Dec 16, 2003 11:45:53 GMT -5
Hey Non-Muslim- You say show me the humanity? Well you will soon see it after you finnish reading this. You claim that third world countries= oppressed people. I say that your beloved first world countries like USA and England are solely responsible for the transformation of average neutral nations into 3rd world countries. Look at Afghanistan as an example of this web of deception that the USA spun. During the first 4 years of that war the CIA played games of devil's advocate between all the mujahideen factions. The USA pumped 2 billion dollars worth of ak-47's, RPG'S, STINGERS, mortars, etc.... but in 1985 when gorbachev was willing to negotiate with the afghans and pull out. The CIA encouraged the muajhideen to fight on and total victory would be near. The deals fell through and war was prolonged another 4 years. This motivation from the Cia was solely so that they could give their worst enemy the USSR the same defeat as they had suffered in Vietnam. Eventually the muslims would be victorious! But only after total destruction of the countries infrastructure, economy, water sources, livestock and literate population. And to top that off the USA turns their back on their former allies the mujahideen . and leave their hollow promises behind. when it seems that it can't get any worse, the USA slams UN embargoes on the whole country. Leading to over 200000 children deaths, due to malnutrition and treatable diseases. At the same time, as you look around at all other robbed islamic nations you can see that they are in the same conditions. Is it only a coincidence that muslim countries are the hardest oppresed right now. So the answer to what is a third world country is that it is a country which has been used and decived by nations that are more advanced and richer after sucking the wealth out of all the little nations.
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Post by AFGmujahid on Dec 16, 2003 12:01:20 GMT -5
hey Nonmuslim- you so casually make claims about our laws and our treatment of our own people. You say that women are not treated like humans!!! In Islam women are said to be given the highest of respect. Mothers in islam have more say in the family than the father does in most issues. you think that in the usa women have always had equal rights?!! you can't believe everything that u c on CNN. HAHA up until 80 years ago women couldn't even vote for president! LOL They stood up for themselves eventually and you girl thingy whipped men succumbed to there demands. Then you say that there is unnecessarily barbaric killings and maimings in islamic 3rd world nations. yet you so casually forget the dark tarnished history of your own people. How about the ruff ryders and the Lynch mobs who hanged thousands of innocent african-americans. is that not reminiscent of your claims on 3rd world countries. Or how about the injustices done to the slaves? you slavemasters would cut off fingers and hands of runaway slaves. barbaric is it? Or how about the worst crime humanity has ever committed and this one is closer in history. 140, 000 civilian japanese were slaughtered when your FREEMASON leader Truman made the decision to drop the a-bombs on Hiroshima and nagasaki. Can you still make hollow claims about islamic nations situations? You are so sad and pathetic that i almost feel sympathy for your ignorance. But then I remember that your people will never change!
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Post by AFGmujahid sucks thingy on Dec 16, 2003 14:56:16 GMT -5
hey Nonmuslim- you so casually make claims about our laws and our treatment of our own people. You say that women are not treated like humans!!! In Islam women are said to be given the highest of respect. Mothers in islam have more say in the family than the father does in most issues. you think that in the usa women have always had equal rights?!! you can't believe everything that u c on CNN. HAHA up until 80 years ago women couldn't even vote for president! LOL They stood up for themselves eventually and you girl thingy whipped men succumbed to there demands. Then you say that there is unnecessarily barbaric killings and maimings in islamic 3rd world nations. yet you so casually forget the dark tarnished history of your own people. How about the ruff ryders and the Lynch mobs who hanged thousands of innocent african-americans. is that not reminiscent of your claims on 3rd world countries. Or how about the injustices done to the slaves? you slavemasters would cut off fingers and hands of runaway slaves. barbaric is it? Or how about the worst crime humanity has ever committed and this one is closer in history. 140, 000 civilian japanese were slaughtered when your FREEMASON leader Truman made the decision to drop the a-bombs on Hiroshima and nagasaki. Can you still make hollow claims about islamic nations situations? You are so sad and pathetic that i almost feel sympathy for your ignorance. But then I remember that your people will never change! Once again. What you say is completely opposite from what you do. You muslims are all the same. Talk a big game but no action. You have nothing but lies and empty promises. That is how you live and that is how you will die. Go to hell ;D
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Post by AFGmujahid on Dec 16, 2003 15:22:17 GMT -5
HMMMMM Interesting, You non-muslims invade an Islamic discussion board, verbally attack us with nothing but bullnuts and propaganda that was fed to you through CNN. And then when I speak up and clearly display the truth to you infidels, all you do is come back at me with a measly 3 sentence run on fragment. Come on you low class trailer park trash. I know you can do better than that! Your little curse words and childish threats will never phase me or any of my mujahideen brothers on here! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!! The truth lies within Islam, and may Allah be gracious enough to bless some light into the hearts of these kaffirs.
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Post by Non Muslim on Dec 16, 2003 19:51:15 GMT -5
HMMMMM Interesting, You non-muslims invade an Islamic discussion board, verbally attack us with nothing but bullnuts and propaganda that was fed to you through CNN. And then when I speak up and clearly display the truth to you infidels, all you do is come back at me with a measly 3 sentence run on fragment. Come on you low class trailer park trash. I know you can do better than that! Your little curse words and childish threats will never phase me or any of my mujahideen brothers on here! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!! The truth lies within Islam, and may Allah be gracious enough to bless some light into the hearts of these kaffirs. First of all. I dont watch CNN, or any liberal media for that matter. Second, you're the pot calling the kettle black. Have you read any thing you've written? All you have done is spread narrow minded propaganda and make empty threats. I refuse to listen to anyone that cant get their head out of their ass. Some of us non-Muslims came here to understand more about Islam. What we found was an anti-American website. You go off spouting vacuous comments and threats. How are we supposed to gain an interest in your religion when you constantly knock anyone and anything that doesnt follow your beliefs? I personally came here under the prerequisite of learning more and gaining a respect for Islam. This website does nothing but bring disrespect to your religion. You can thank yourselves and fellow muslims like you for giving a stigma to your religion. It is people like you why so many non-muslims stereotype your religion. I didnt come here to pick a fight with your religion. However I'm going to stand for what I believe in and not take nuts from you. POP!!!!! That's your head coming out of your ass. Now get it together.
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Post by Daniel on Dec 17, 2003 14:39:42 GMT -5
Hello.
I am a nonmuslim-kufir or whatever you would like to call me. I believe in God but although he gave me a lot and I am completely thankful for, I am unsure what religion is the true relgion. I was not born in a strict relgious family, and they have let me discover my faith on my own.
Not saying Muslims aren't allowed, but obviously religions parents who believe that their sons or daughters would be go to hell if they weren't muslims /Christian/Judaism would understandable try and persuade their sons and daughters to believe.
Unfortunately or fortunately, whichever way you look at it, I was not raise in a religious family. Now I am unsure what to believe. I can understand many aspects of Islam and their beliefs. Many of my friends are Muslim and have gave me information to judge for myself. I was even thinking of performing the Shahadah, but then I thought about it more, and I have to have no doubts. I just can't be certain. For example, if I look at Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Was Jesus (p.b.u.h) a fraud, the son of God, or a prophet? Personally, I am not inclined towards Judaism, and so I believe that there was something regarding Jesus (p.b.u.h). But was he a prophet or the son of god? I dont know. And so I had doubts and thought it was best to search for my faith myself, but so far to no avail.
The reason I'm giving my background before I start saying my opinions of the previous posts is that, as Non-Muslim says, there are some non-muslims who come to this site, exactly to find information regarding Islam, and don't want that when someone gives an opinion supporting america, then get a post back saying 'Kafirs helps are empty' etc.. It would put people off Islam, when you should be doing your best to persuade us it is the right religion and, in muslims eyes, to help us stop sinning.
I'm certainly not saying, don't say facts or your opinions but theres no need to resort to name calling, and ending up with. 'You're a Kafir. You can't see the truth.' or something equivalent. Share with us the beuty, elegance, and peacefulness of Islam, which is what I have seen at times.
I'm not saying every Muslim who posted on this topic was resorting to name calling, but some did and should try and argue in a more constructive way. And before you give up reading this, I am not just complainging about the Muslims who posted here. Some of the Non-muslims were idiots who should just be ignored considering some of there posts. Not ignored, but explain to them, what you and I believe they did wrong. However some appear just to be coming onto this board to wind some of you up, so in the end if they won't listen to your views or opinions, just ignore them in the end.
Getting back to something mentioned a little while ago in the post Osama Bin Laden. In my eyes he is a murderer. He is not a wonderul fighter against the evil or America (althought I am against much of Americas actions). He judges lives and chooses who should die. That is not his choice. God is the only one who should take life. The only way I'd agree with death, if I was a Muslim, is if in just and legal ways (as in Sharia law, if I was a Muslim), or understandable to protect Islam but you need to be careful when 'protecting Islam'. I do not agree with the argument that, Americas against Islam, and so we are protecting people, by blowing up members of the public. Please. How would this stop America going against Islam and be protecting it? It would increase the problem. God gave us life and it is sacred, and not for us to just blow some innocent people up.
PS. Please don't use the argument Blair and Bush are murders too. You don't say, that murderer there isn't too bad cos he killed 3 ppl, whereas that murderer there killed 10 so its okay.
Daniel
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Post by nxt OBL on Dec 17, 2003 16:44:05 GMT -5
In the Name of Allah... Peace to those who follow the Guidance. Daniel, from your post i know you are searching for Truth and the Truth is in Islam. Did you know that one of the Names of Allah is The True One (Al-Haqq)? so you see if we call this people KAFFIR it means they are the refuser of the Truth. but if you are honestly searching for the Truth(which is Allah) you are not one of them. well you can judge by ur intellect the way they post and the foul mouth they expose themselves, compared to our responce, you can see whom to respect or not. by the way ill recommend a site runs by a REVERT of ISLAM, mind you She was a victim of the 9-11 attack but still Allah gudes her into ISLAM just like the thousands of others as aresult of this attack on America. now she maintains a website which is opened by nearly a million viewers each day explaining about Islam. here: www.jihadunspun.comyou see it is not us who will guide you to Islam but ALLAH...if it is by muslims alone (but yes, we are commanded tobe patient and answer wisely) if not for ALLAH's Help Islam and muslims are long gone but still...it is ALLAH's Power only. you are very much welcome in this forum, till then... May ALLAH guide us all.
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Post by Pffft on Dec 17, 2003 19:17:09 GMT -5
In the Name of Allah... Peace to those who follow the Guidance. Daniel, from your post i know you are searching for Truth and the Truth is in Islam. Did you know that one of the Names of Allah is The True One (Al-Haqq)? so you see if we call this people KAFFIR it means they are the refuser of the Truth. but if you are honestly searching for the Truth(which is Allah) you are not one of them. well you can judge by ur intellect the way they post and the foul mouth they expose themselves, compared to our responce, you can see whom to respect or not. by the way ill recommend a site runs by a REVERT of ISLAM, mind you She was a victim of the 9-11 attack but still Allah gudes her into ISLAM just like the thousands of others as aresult of this attack on America. now she maintains a website which is opened by nearly a million viewers each day explaining about Islam. here: www.jihadunspun.comyou see it is not us who will guide you to Islam but ALLAH...if it is by muslims alone (but yes, we are commanded tobe patient and answer wisely) if not for ALLAH's Help Islam and muslims are long gone but still...it is ALLAH's Power only. you are very much welcome in this forum, till then... May ALLAH guide us all. Anyone can name their god what they want to. Just because someone gives something a name doesnt make it true. Please just state philosophy.
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Post by Paradox on Dec 18, 2003 15:06:27 GMT -5
nxt OBL:
Thanks for your post and thank you for the site you linked there.
I agree, at the end of the day, God will be the one who decided if I am guided to Islam or not and that you cannot be the ones to guide me into Islam, it will be up to God... But at the same time there are ways to post. I mean reading your post was a nice and polite way to talk to me, while still expressing your beliefs strongly. At the same time, you gave me a source of information on Islam which I found very helpful and am very appreciative, so thank you for that and your post.
Pffft:
I understand what your saying that the followers can name the God what they wish to, it doesn't change the truth and I agree with that.
But at the same time, I believe nxt OBL, was trying to show the many names of Allah, referred to in the Koran. Not just made up by the followers. I don't believe he was trying to argue that Islam was true because of the fact that one of Allah's name is The True One, but he was giving knowledge on Islam. I welcome knowledge in whatever form, so alls good in my eyes.
Anyway, thanks for your post.
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Post by nxt OBL on Dec 18, 2003 18:29:22 GMT -5
(Bismillah) In the name of Allah...
Anyway, i really see the silver lining in Pfft post. He said "please" which is for me as a muslim is a sign of Hope that we, muslims and non-muslims can finally connect or meet at a certain point.
Just like what daniel is expounding in his first post.
Yes Allah the Creator (another of His name) has revealed 100 names or attributes in the Quran so His Creation can understand and stand in awe and respect unto HIm. Notice that each of this 100 names are pure and clean in meaning also philosophically or literally. Ill post it all here maybe...next post if i found my file.
unlike for example, (this is certainly not the way or this is an example of dirty,corrupt,malicious name whoever innocent minded people name it to the All-Mighty One(another name).
they say- God (but is this clean and pure? no! if you reverse the letters what word will form? DOG! so cross ot that one!
they say- Father(is this worthy of the Merciful?(another name), father is a creation, from man, male animals are considered fathers of their offspring, even plants save a male species, one who gives birth and procreate, Allah the Most Wise(another name) creates in an instant and doesnt need to procreate like His creations.
they say- Lord, but human beings are also called lords? so its not for ALLAH only name like what I mentioned above.
so we must be very careful on what we name The Most Great(another name) its should be EXCLUSIVE unto HIm only and clean, pure and without likeness that degrades Him.
besides it is stated in the Quran that His name is ALLAH- " I am ALLAH so therefore worship Me Alone and do not ascribe partners or equal unto Me"
as stated in the Quran english translation.
Beautiful isnt it?
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Post by laughingherheadoff on Jan 27, 2004 17:18:16 GMT -5
You know at times like this I'm reminded of the quote from Uhud Battle : You're dead are burning in Hell and our dead in paradise ;D Nah I'm playing...all u lot...chill out...open you minds...I've been reading a bit of this and u know what i noticed that although u claim to be able to think...you're very narrow minded...WHY? ...well...I dunno maybe because u go on quoting things into Islam w/o even reading into it...u wanna learn about Islam...check out these sites dudes and dudesses... No...I do not support terrorism...for those of you who don't know what that means...creation of terror...now...an example for simple minds... nah I'm playing...u lot aren't simple minded...just narrow...open it up peeps...or else ur gonna be like a straw...try breathing through it once...anywz...if u wanna example of that...just check out the whole Baghdad scenario...the whole world scenario...I'll tell u terror...u don't support us we bomb u so THERE... man I'm sittin here laughing til I cry...and I seriously dare u lot to answer us w/o swearing... or saying I hate you Kuffar...pls don't say that...its not proper and very unislamic...we wish to follow the example of the Holy Prophet (SAW) who didn't even wish for an anthill to be burnt...or for eggs of a bird to be cooked...you're calling this guy a terrorist? err...if u think so...man u must be majnun... and as for the whole 'Western Democracy' well...umm...more than half the country did not support the war on iraq...millions of ppl lobbied...some democracy...who's got the dictator now...not that I support Saddam that dudes got some issues man...i think we ought to put him to the Islamic Shariah and give him proper punishment...for the severity from Allah also awaits him for his crimes Now I'm crying...why...well...because I've just ranted at u ppl...incessantly and well...its very ignorant of me...if u wish to learn more about Islam...pls say u do...we will be happy to give u info...but see...well...there's a saying I once heard...to hurt someone u gotta hurt urself first...and well...in that sense I feel really sorry b/c all of us must really be hurting... Anywz I'm out... forgive me for any wrong I have said... Mumins are not cowards...the Munafiqeen are... May Allah make us all die as Muslims. Ameen. May Allah guide us all on the right path. Ameen
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Post by MEDIC on Feb 21, 2004 0:51:39 GMT -5
You have no idea what you are talking about, like many americans you are blind and only follow and believe in what the media tells you. Those people down there are fighting for their freedom, something you have no idea what it is, the jews killed their families and destroyed theyre homes, and those people have lost everything. What would you do? Tell me, you wouldnt fight out of some kind of hatred? Think about it, and remember islam is not about war, but about peace, and we have the right to protect us from america and its bigger daddy the jews. you say theyre cowards, well, since lets see, iraq does not have an regular army to FIGHT FOR WHATS THEIRS, so they have to fight in small groups, the only resistance there is...you think you wouldnt hide if youre the only one there and your up against 20 tanks? you have no idea what being a coward means. I was only 10 years old when i watched serbs kill my uncle in front of me, you have no idea how scared you are when there granades and mortars flying around your house and your just praying to god you stay alive, but no, you dont know that, and you talk about others. just shut your mouth, and maybe one day, inshallah you will wake up from that bad dream and see the truth, but untill then, you can keep believing the jews and the media which by the way they control. May Allah set you on the right path.
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Post by Great Women of Islam on Feb 21, 2004 7:11:30 GMT -5
Assalamu Alaikum Australia is home! What you rate as a first world country?? A country as beautiful and plentiful as ours?? Also a country of violent crime, racism,poverty and injustice. Laws that are too lenient that sees repeating offenders of 10 years old car theives, getting off with a smack on the wrist. The disrespect non muslim men have for women, when they make rude remarks and cant keep their eyes in their heads, its not safe to walk the streets alone, in fear of being attacked. Islam provide safety, respect, and consideration for its women. The great women of Islam "MarshAllah" Umm Ammarah sheilded Prophet Muhammad SAW with her body during the Battle of Uhud, she had deeps wounds to her shoulder, yet she still continued to attack with her sword. Maybe you should open your eyes and see what the kaffir society is really breeding. Here's your answers dingleberry: Third World Country= Oppressed people under a dictator with religion forced upon them. Savage acts of inhumanity by own governmet upon the people. Inhumane tactics of maiming human beings by throwing them off of buildings and cutting body parts off. Brutaly beating and stoning women. Treating women as a second class human. First world country? US, England, Australia, etc......those that practice democracy and humanity. Anything else? Or will you just speak your mindless narrow minded drivel some more? If you're going to do the latter shut your yapper. There's the money, now show me the humanity. TEXT
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Post by 'Guest' on Feb 21, 2004 11:34:42 GMT -5
Once again you have proven how dumb and ignorant your people really are. Nobody is forced into religion, and women are not beaten by nobody, except if they commit a crime. Peoples hands are cut off if they steal, and are stoned if they murder. The "1st" country worlds like you say practise democracy right? wrong, you have no idea what your talking about, you are all capitalist swines who only care about personal interests such as money and power. America is so powerfull that they dont know what to do with all of it, so they have to take it out on someone weak like iraq. But anyways, just keep believing in what "they" tell you, but when judgement day comes you will see who was right or wrong. You have no idea how islam is clean and beautifull, unline whatever you belive in...so learn before you say something that you only see on tv. May Allah set you on the right way.
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Post by mujahida on Mar 5, 2004 7:22:30 GMT -5
Assalamu Alaikum,-muslims
wel non-muslims, wil never understand how uz muslims feel,
all they do is accuse us of bein terrorists, wel listening to thir media wont get them anywhere, which is full of lies and hatred towards muslims!
Muslims r tortured left right and centre, women being raped, children bein slaughtered!
u dnt really no wat ur talkin about, uv never experienced this, uv never felt the pain!
all u do is talk! and thats without facts aswel!
wa'salaam-to muslims
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