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Post by p9hu7 on Jun 11, 2004 9:58:29 GMT -5
You should be ashamed of yourself! This is a site to ask questions about Islam in order to learn. Attacking Islam and other such Fitnah on this bourd is not necessary! I am, Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim going to convert to Islam, Insha Allah. But it is difficult to get straight answers about any subject with all this arguing! Can any one with knowledge help me with this one matter: I have recently found a web site that claims to have found contradictions or "flaws " in the Quraan? I dont believe this of course, but can some one show me the mistake they have made in their miss-interpritation of the Quraan? example: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property. the link to this site is: answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Contra/index.html
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Post by Starjade on Jun 12, 2004 8:29:30 GMT -5
p9hu7 you say: You should be ashamed of yourself! This is a site to ask questions about Islam in order to learn. Attacking Islam and other such Fitnah on this bourd is not necessary! Starjade says: So what is your problem we are talking about the Surah 4:82. Errors in the Koran and that is an aspect of Islam and a challenge that once stood for 1400 years. Now you talk like a Kuffar (one who hides the truth) You would rather people were left in the dark to these errors so you can continue in your Idolatry of Muhammad. The shame is on you not us. Why don’t you defend Islam and show the erros in the Koran do not exist. When you find you cannot do that then do not go on at us with your idolatry. For here in this spark of the universe is a real discussion and if it too hard core for you than go read something else instead of moaning at us all, we did nothing to you except enlighten you. p9hu7 you say: I am, Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim going to convert to Islam, Insha Allah. But it is difficult to get straight answers about any subject with all this arguing! Starjade says: In religious matters there is always going to be some heated debate but that is OK it relives the frustration of the things we have on our minds whiles we think and ponder over these matters. If you have some question to ask then I am sure we shall probably know the answer. Have you tried that yet eh. p9hu7 you say: Can any one with knowledge help me with this one matter: I have recently found a web site that claims to have found contradictions or "flaws " in the Quraan? Starjade says: Mm I wonder where that is. Well Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim it is a fact that a challenge issued to starjade by an over confident Muslim has brought about the naming of 21 errors in the Koran. (sorry) Now I challenge the nation of Islam over all the issues I have spoken about. But your Imams are afraid of me and my Revelations. They dare not come online to me and have a religious debate or even to defend the Koran against my Revelations. p9hu7 you say: I dont believe this of course, but can some one show me the mistake they have made in their miss-interpritation of the Quraan? Starjade says: You are not the first Muslim I have spoken about who was presumptuous in his thinking. If the errors I have mentioned were not true then be sure a million Muslims would be jumping on my back telling me so. But instead throughout the land there is Silence. If you think you can refute these errors pick them out and we shall see you realise that you are mistaken. Surah 4:82 if one error exists in the Koran then the Koran is proven to have not been sent by God. And we are all the Judges here. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html p9hu7 you say: example: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property. the link to this site is: answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Contra/index.htmlStarjade says: Yes that is odd. In my view under these circumstances the wife must still care for the Children and so all his money should be hers unless there are certain reasons why that would not be Justified. When the wife dies then the cash wealth should go equally to all Children. I do not see the claim of both his parents as being valid unless they were the ones who have the expense of running a household which contains his family.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 12, 2004 8:32:59 GMT -5
I just did an explore of that website and found it very interesting i shall be exploring it further. Thanyou for that link p9hu7
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Post by xxx on Jun 12, 2004 11:53:03 GMT -5
Saffiya you say: lol im going to let you bark... Starjade says: you mean you have little choice and are unable to answer in truth the statements that I have made regarding the errors existing in the Koran. Saffiya you say: But one little advice you call yourself a prophet you know mirza qeedyani he claimed he was a prophet…. Starjade says: I have never heard of mirza qeedyani but then many Prophets do exist yet only a few Prophets have come from God. (clearly Muhammad and Jesus are not from God eh) mirza qeedyani he died in the toilet... something similar is going to happen to you. Starjade says: Yes I know I am ill fated and already the Crown of England is persecuting me for attempting to save the lives of the descendants of Abraham and they turned their noses up in disgust at the fact that I was speaking with Muslims with the intent on saving their lives. 6 thousand years people waited for my arrival and because I show that you are all worshipping false Prophets and false Gods I become the one you condemn. When I was the one who was going to such lengths to save your lives and those of your children. What sick minds you all have. I must have died in the toilet after visiting it for being sick to death of all of you. I personaly did not want to come to this Planet it was an accident that I can put right. Unlike you I think of better ways of returning beyond the grave. One cut of the left hand Jugular vein in the neck and I will be free and gone from this Place. And it took thousands of years for me to get here. But then there would be no one to save your children from the horrors they face ahead. And they did pray out for a Saviour and when I arrived you all wished me dead. So how sad are all of you sitting there wishing a Prophet sent from God was dead because he showed the world that Muhammad your idol was a fraud. What kind of a reflection is that on you. And you think yourselves so Holy. Well scuse me whiles I wipe the nose goo off my computer screen for you make me laugh so much my inwards parts are being blasted out. Saff why not go complain to your Imams and point out that Starjade says they are all religiously ignorant and are afraid of Starjade and they are afraid. And they should be for the Surah 4:82 means I can convert followers of Islam away and back on the worship of a real God instead of the false Prophet Muhammad. Go give your Imam a hard copy of the 21 errors in the Koran. Then you can observe his behaviour as he squirms excuses out as you have done. Tell him Christians and Jews and others have copies also and we are in deep conversations about those 21 errors that no Muslim is in a position to refute. Then realise that whiles I may die a nasty death. Already Islam has died and fallen at the feet of starjade. Which is symbolic as none of you are fit to walk in my shoes. But as false Prophet worshippers you would make good Christians and muslims. Too bad that God has forsaken you. Lol ... and you claim that you know islam and you dont even know who mirza qqadayni was ... lol.. that just proved you was chattin... and to the other guest... what you blabbing on about... make some sense d**n it and starjade no one was waing for your arrival...... only you ASSume that .... and explain this to me if the quraan wasn't sent by god then why are all those facts written in the quraan true.. an example..the explanation of how a foetus develops in the mothers womb... how could someone have known how a foetus develops in the mother embryo... and there are lots of other miracles and scientific explanations which have been told about in the quraan over 1400 years ago which are only now being proven correct by scientific knowledge... and if you ever opened you eyes and stopped being so ignorant you will relise that scienctist actually say that the quraan was written by a human and here you are saying that it was written by a man.. or whatever.... Anyway .. ill let you get on with your kuffar ways... your errors are not errors.. why are you even coomparing the quraan with bible and vice versa... christianity and Islam are different religions...
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Post by xxxx on Jun 12, 2004 11:54:56 GMT -5
Lol ... and you claim that you know islam and you dont even know who mirza qqadayni was ... lol.. that just proved you was chattin... and to the other guest... what you blabbing on about... make some sense d**n it and starjade no one was waing for your arrival...... only you ASSume that .... and explain this to me if the quraan wasn't sent by god then why are all those facts written in the quraan true.. an example..the explanation of how a foetus develops in the mothers womb... how could someone have known how a foetus develops in the mother embryo... and there are lots of other miracles and scientific explanations which have been told about in the quraan over 1400 years ago which are only now being proven correct by scientific knowledge... and if you ever opened you eyes and stopped being so ignorant you will relise that scienctist actually say that the quraan wasn't written by a human and here you are saying that it was written by a man.. or whatever.... Anyway .. ill let you get on with your kuffar ways... your errors are not errors.. why are you even coomparing the quraan with bible and vice versa... christianity and Islam are different religions...
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Post by xxxxx on Jun 12, 2004 12:10:02 GMT -5
listen mr saffiya! toilets are not for animals. As humans we should respect our "residential belongings". Whats your opinion? Mr.. its miss... remember that next time .. write it on your forhead incase your feeble mind forgets... toilets are not for animals... your point being? That post has no relvance whatsoever as to what I was talking about. and starjade... go make an anti islamic forum , this is a forum for MUSLIMS not for Kuffars like you... your not welcome here.... dont you see it... your Theories and assumptions are really no use.. or do you have a mind made of manure that you can not understand that your not wanted here? eitheir way... this is an islamic forum.. not an anti-islamic forum.. learn some proper islamic knowledge first...
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Post by p9hu7 on Jun 12, 2004 12:50:14 GMT -5
Here are some flaws for you to look at!
{Surah 4:82} Do they not consider the Quran with care ? for had it been from any other than Allah, they surely would have found therein much discrepancy.
Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- How many gardens are there in paradise? ONE [as stated in 39:73, 41:30, 57:21, 79:41] or MANY [18:31, 22:23, 35:33, 78:32]? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]. But Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is". In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart. "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet. More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.
The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?
Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.
Thats just a couple for you to puzzle out for yourself!
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Post by p9hu71 on Jun 13, 2004 13:17:23 GMT -5
Since the resurrection of Jesus is the main proof for his claims in regard to his deity, many have tried to disprove this account by pointing to contradictions in it. Since Muslims deny the crucifixion they obviously also have to deny the resurrection. One of the favorite items on the list of Bible contradictions, presented by atheists and Muslims alike, is therefore that in the Gospel according to Mark, chapter 16 [also Matthew 28], the women encounter at the grave on Jesus a man [angel] which is read to mean one and only one angel, while according to Luke, chapter 24 [also John 20], it is explicitely stated that they encountered two angels. I am not concerned about atheists here, but it is most interesting to see that these Muslims do not know their own Qur'an since otherwise they wouldn't make so much noise about things like this.
There are (at least) two passages in the Qur'an relating the announciation of Jesus' birth to Mary.
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah has chosen thee ... Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah gives thee glad tidings ... -- Sura 3:42 & 45
Then we sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before he as a man in all respects. She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (Come not near) If thou dost fear Allah." -- Sura 19:17-18
How many angels came to Mary? One or three or more? [Correct me if the word for "angel" is in the dual, but if it is plural then there have to be at least three.]
Why does Mary only seek refuge from one of the angels as she only addresses one in Sura 19:18? Were the others not like men and threatening to her?
Incidentally, this problem in the Qur'an is much harder to resolve for Muslims than the Biblical one for Christians, since in the Qur'an Mary addresses this one angel and it is clear she only speaks to one angel which would be strange if there are three or more around her. In the Bible the angels are not directly addressed by the women. Hence nothing establishes that there is only one. Mark and Matthew might have only mentioned the one who is prominent and who is the one talking while Luke and John make clear there were actually two of them.
After meeting the President and Vice-President on the street somewhere, I might come home and only say, I saw the President today. Nothing in such a statement precludes that I also met the second in command and maybe more people too.
I am happy to accept this same explanation for the Qur'an, but it is less convincing than for the Bible. One would have to explain why Mary twice addresses only one of them and also does not fear the other angels.
Heaven or Earth, which was created first?
He it is Who hath created for you all that is on earth. Then He turned to the heaven, and made them into seven heavens. -- Sura 2:29 Sura 41:9-12 also gives details on the creation process and confirms that the earth was created first and then the heavens. But then we read also:
Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof. And after that, He spread out the earth. -- Sura 79:27-30
The very first revelation starts out with providing an ingredient for contradiction:
Proclaim! In the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, who created - created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood. -- Sura 96:1-2 Apart from the fact that "a mere blood clot" is scientifically wrong, let us see what further ideas the Qur'an presents on how God creates human beings.
It is he who has created man from water -- Sura 25:54 And God has created every living creature from water. -- Sura 24:45
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape. -- Sura 15:26
Amongst his signs is this, that he created you from dust. -- Sura 30:20
Blood clot? water? clay? dust? The Qur'an doesn't really seem all that sure what God used and seems to imply that He took just anything he could get his hands on. But this is still not all in this confusion:
God createth what He willeth: When he hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, "Be," and it is! -- Sura 3:47 He just says the word "be" and it is, there is no making a mess with water, clay, blood clots or dust, just a clean "there it is". Right?
Sura 4:82 claims that there is no discrepancy in this Qur'an!
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Post by Starjade on Jun 14, 2004 5:39:01 GMT -5
Hello there triple x. Wassamatter are you afraid to show a real name. You say: Lol ... and you claim that you know islam and you dont even know who mirza qqadayni was ... lol.. that just proved you was chattin... Starjade says: I certainly do not recall that name Mirza Qadiani’s however I did look it up and found he was another claimer of being a Prophet. I have no interest in him as Muhammad is the false Prophet that my conversations are about as well as Jesus. I only named the Kabbalist false Prophet Sabbatai Zevi due to my contact with the Kabbalist Jews first and why they are not assisting me save the lives of their people. Triple x: let me say I have challenged the world congregations and you hear me demand that you go tell your Imams what I have said although many have already heard of me. Nobody on this Planet can dispute the claims that I have been making because I do satisfy Old testament law and those many signs in the heavens and by my own acts and deeds I can so easily be proven to be that long awaited Prophet. Hey I gave that evidence up front to save much argument. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm I proved who I was to the Jews way back in 1995 and they certainly are in no position to dispute my statements either. Now Jesus and Muhammad do not have such evidence and Old testament law says they are both guilty of Blasphemy. They did not fulfil the Living Gods Prophecy I did. So whiles you scoff you are a mite nieve. And I do know many things about the religion of Islam as I was taught that religion by Islamic experts. And they did like to speak of their religion. And look Sura 4:82 became invoked and I am the first apparently to come along in 1400 years and easily showed 21 errors in the Koran and I can show much more errors if I chose. So that makes me more of an expert on religious matters than your Imams who memories the Koran. triple x you say: and starjade no one was waing for your arrival...... only you ASSume that .... Starjade says: Nobody knew who I was but the descendants of Isaac have been waiting for my arrival whiles the descendants of Ishmael went worshipping and idolising the self appointed false Prophet Muhammad. Panic not though I no longer have any plans to save your lives as laws on Blasphemy say you must all be stoned to death. So I will not be warning you of any earthquakes. triple x you say: and explain this to me if the quraan wasn't sent by god then why are all those facts written in the quraan true.. an example..the explanation of how a foetus develops in the mothers womb... how could someone have known how a foetus develops in the mother embryo... Starjade says: I have already gone into this with other Muslims and the answer is easily spoken. For in those Times it was Hell and war and men women and children were slaughtered. It is simple to discover that information regarding the foetus when seeing into the remains of a disembowelled pregnant woman of which I am sure there were many. So other explanations do exist that can explain how that information can become known. And what Miracles are the Idolators of Muhammad trying to convince people of and what Prophecies eh. Remind yourself that Muhammad is already proven a fraud by Old Testament law which is Gods law. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael and so he is bound by the laws of the living God of Abraham and of Moses. Gods law says and proves that Muhammad is a fraud. So does history and all those many signs in the heavens. You will have to do better than make up fairy tales about Muhammad in order to try and prove that Gods law is wrong just so you can continue in idolatry. triple x you say: and there are lots of other miracles and scientific explanations which have been told about in the quraan over 1400 years ago which are only now being proven correct by scientific knowledge... Starjade says: Triple x remind yourself that I have been taught the religion of Islam by Islamic experts and they did not leave much out. I note that when Muslims make claims they do not back up their mouths and you are an example. You claim miracles and scientific explanations over a period of 1400 years and yet you do not name them or Quote them you just claim they exist. Try showing some proof when you speak. That is what the Islamic experts I spoke to had done when I spoke with them. I challenge you as I challenged them to show proof of these Miracles and scientific explanations and even actual real Prophets that they claim Muhammad made. In regards to those End of Times that the Living God spoke about apparently all Muhammad said was it will grow very dark hahahahaha www.geocities.com/end_of_times/examinedproofs.html www.geocities.com/end_of_times/islam.html Muslims have been hard pressed to produce any actual evidence to back up their claims during their Idolatry of Muhammad. In fact when they went to look after believing statements such as you have said that many exist. In reality they found none exist. And that resulted in the 12 proofs of Muhammad. Which the above links do show I have already covered those explanations. Muhammad still does not have any actual proof. If you don’t believe me then go and look and show that Proof. But be aware that you may make these false claims of Muhammad a lot worse. At this point may I say that the proverbial man who worships a stone as his God. Is Blasphemous in our eyes but not in his own little world. For he is full of Idolatry and so he is blinded by that form of worship. triple x you say: and if you ever opened you eyes and stopped being so ignorant you will realise that scientist actually say that the quraan was written by a human and here you are saying that it was written by a man.. or whatever.... Starjade says: Muslims believe the contents of the Koran came from God. And they consider this book to be Holy. Obviously God was not the one doing the writing but many Muslims seem to delude themselves that God was doing the writing wheras it was man and those Men are manipulating the congregations and getting undeserved Power whiles leading those congregations to commit Blasphemy by their beliefs. triple x you say: Anyway .. ill let you get on with your kuffar ways... your errors are not errors.. why are you even coomparing the quraan with bible and vice versa... christianity and Islam are different religions... Starjade says; Well triple x you have done some ranting and yet you have not disputed a word I have said or any of the errors that still exist in the Koran. I hope you feel relieved to get that off your chest. Christianity and Islam are religious beliefs regarding two proven false Prophets who both claimed that their false Prophets were that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. They are connected to each other especially as 11 chapters of the Koran mention Jesus. And Muhammad believed Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be. Which if you are a Muslim then you and I already know that is a mistake on Muhammad’s part for Jesus was claiming to be the very Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up which is the very Prophet that Muhammad claimed himself to be. And you being real thick cannot see the flaw in those beliefs. And as both Jesus and Muhammad are claiming to be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and both claim that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about them then that all brings us all back around to the Old testament which is the grandfather of all these religions. And you have the gall to call me religiously ignorant when you don’t know these things. Tsk tsk tsk……. I know more than you do and more than your Kuffar Imams.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 14, 2004 5:46:29 GMT -5
5 x you say: and starjade... go make an anti islamic forum , this is a forum for MUSLIMS not for Kuffars like you... your not welcome here.... dont you see it... your Theories and assumptions are really no use.. or do you have a mind made of manure that you can not understand that your not wanted here? eitheir way... this is an islamic forum.. not an anti-islamic forum.. learn some proper islamic knowledge first...
Starjade says: Listen you Kuffar grunt in case you do not read this thread is about the Surah 4:82. And it is relevant to Islam and the Kroan and every Muslim on earth. So it does belong in our conversations or is it that you as a Muslim are unable to face those revelations and so you shoot the messenger hoping the truth will just go away so you can continue in your Idolatry of Muhammad. If you don’t like the truth and cannot face the Revelations of the Surah 4:82 then go away and do not read this. Leave the real discussion to the real Muslims. As for you well your opinion has been noted now go stick your head back in the sand so we all know which orifice you are talking out of.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 14, 2004 6:16:57 GMT -5
Hello again p9hu71: Well you certainly picked out many errors just as I have done. Now even more errors exist. Now perhaps it is further undertood also why the Koran should not have even mention the Christians New testament and a belief in Jesus. Another matter of flaws in the New Testament betwixt Mathew and luke are the Genealogy of Jesus. Their statements are different. I was in conversations with some Christians over these very issues. Here is a link that shows others flaws also existing in the New Testament. www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/ntprob.shtml Might I also add again that these are other reasons why the Koran should not have mentioned the Christians new Testaments. They are full of flaws and also Jesus claimed he was the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And we both know that Muhammad made that same claim. Yet when we examine these claims with an open eye in view of religious law. It is found these claims are not true and we have been deceived. In religion there should only be truth. There is only one God and so there can only be one religion. That religion cannot be Islam or Christianity because the basis of their beliefs are false and deceptive. Which also leads its congregations to idolatry. But look around you at Muslims and Christian all blissfully going to worship now caring or realising that that are being Blasphemous in the eyes of the Living God. If they give their worship to the Living God then surely one would think that they would care about what the Living God thinks. The Living God has already said we must not follow false Prophets or false Gods. So as religious people we must look at these issues and reason them all out until the truth alone stands high above any religious doctrines deceptions. So far in all of this when all is told and realised. It is clear that as Muhammad and Jesus are proven to not be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Then it is clear that somebody else must be. So far as always people Starjades word is proven to be true already by the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. And whiles I was busy in 1995 and beyond the year 2000. All yes all of those many Prophesied signs in the heavens appeared in conjunction with each other. Now that is clearly a sign from God in fact many Signs that the real Doomsday Prophet has now arrived. And it is because of who I am that I am in a position of authority to speak to you of these things. And I have always been shown to be truthful. My word is always proven to be true. And if you choose not to listen then be wary of your fate.
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Post by spock on Jun 14, 2004 11:20:06 GMT -5
You are all mad.
There is no god.
Just accept it and get on with living your lives.
<shakes head in despair>
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Post by Starjade on Jun 15, 2004 3:24:46 GMT -5
There is a God Spock. It is a Spherical entity that lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. It is Spherical in shape and white in colour and it flys about under its own Power.
The Thing is that many on this Planet have been following false Prophet who were presumtuous to think they could speak in Gods name. And those false Prophets invented Gods of their own ideals and imaginations. That is why so few have any real faith as they have been led into following false Gods.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 15, 2004 3:29:13 GMT -5
And might i add that at a Time in the Future those earthquakes i have Prophesied about will occur and that is some proof that is solid regarding the proof of God for i have already expalined how i came to know that information
And it was God who promised Moses he would raise up a Prophet who would gather up all those Jews from the Four corners of the Globe. And by Old Testament law i am proven to be that Prophet that God spoke about giving further proof that God is real.
It seems God had more faith in the descendants of Abraham than they did in God.
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Post by spock on Jun 15, 2004 3:56:58 GMT -5
....mad, completely, stark, staring, bonkers.....
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