All these threads made against muslims..

[Religion and modern life]

To reconcile the religion you believe in with modern day life and with modern science is indeed difficult and compromises are the demand of the day. Strict folks will tell you that you are a lousy Muslim, and non-Muslims will say that you are a stubborn one. The same with the belief. If you take it strictly (with the book) then you have to believe that God was sitting somewhere writing and writing and writing. While a more flexible interpretation means that some interpreter was told what to note down. And again: "errors" which were rather a kind of "typing errors" and discrepancies born out of misunderstanding.

[AnwarAmir]

To reconcile the religion you believe in with modern day life and with modern science is indeed difficult and compromises are the demand of the day. Strict folks will tell you that you are a lousy Muslim, and non-Muslims will say that you are a stubborn one. The same with the belief. If you take it strictly (with the book) then you have to believe that God was sitting somewhere writing and writing and writing. While a more flexible interpretation means that some interpreter was told what to note down. And again: "errors" which were rather a kind of "typing errors" and discrepancies born out of misunderstanding.

[Starjade]

Religion and modern life why don’t you get a proper cyberspace name instead of a philosophical statement.

You said: If you take it strictly (with the book) then you have to believe that God was sitting somewhere writing and writing and writing.

Starjade says: I can say for a fact that God does not sit around writing. Mankind is the one who does that. Of course God can get me to write on Gods behalf and I do exactly that and I am a prolific writer.


You said: While a more flexible interpretation means that some interpreter was told what to note down. And again: "errors" which were rather a kind of "typing errors" and discrepancies born out of misunderstanding.

Starjade says: Now that is an interesting excuse but there are more than grammatical errors in the Koran aren’t there such as scientific errors after all none of us believe the earth is flat but the Koran implies just that and none of us believe that thunder is created by angels giving applause for God and we don’t think the sun sets in a pool of muddy water and these errors all show serois errors in the Koran. The biggest error of them all is the belief in Jesu by Muhammad and the 11 chapters of the Koran glorifying Jesus. Because as any Christian can tell you Jesus claimed that he is that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

As you know Muhammad has proclaimed himself as being that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Now how can that be when he believes in Jesus and the Koran glorifies Jesus as being that Prophet form God that Jesus has claimed himself to be. Both unaware that the Prophet Jesus has claimed himself to be is that very same Prophet that Muhammad has claimed himself to be.

Now those issues are more than grammatical errors and even historical errors exist. Tsk tsk tsk… It seems Islam is clearly making this fabricated Angel Gabriel to be a liar. As this angel Gabriel authenticated Jesus long before Muhammad was even born.

So with all that data is is clearly impossible for Muslims to make excuses as to why those errors exist when it is a fact they are large errors that prove that Muhammad was a fraud. Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein. Now I have pointed out many errors that no follower of Islam can just excuse away. But nice try.

[AnwarAmir]

It is NOT errors, just some misunderstandings of "secretaries" who got some notes the wrong way round.

[Starjade]

No they are errors your saying that they are some misunderstanding by secretaries is rather a feeble excuse. I recently challenged the shirker Maverik to answer some of those errors but he could not. Perhaps you can but i know you cannot explain these matters away. The biggest mistake of Muhammad and his followers is in the claim by Muhammad that he is that Prophet that God promsied Moses he would raise up.

And then believing in Jesus and the Koran glorifying Jesus. When the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be is that Prophet that God promises Moses he would raisde up.

That is the same Prophet Mad Muhammad has clkaimed himself to be. Why dont you explain that away as a secretaryal mistake.

Challenge to Maverik in Surah 4:82.
Hey tell you what Maverikikins I shall give you an easy way out instead of the usual plastering of the many errors in the Koran that I demand that you confirm exist in the Koran. Here is a new way.

Muhammad claimed that he fulfilled the Prophecies of Moses and Isaiah. You do know that fact don’t you surely you can admit that without getting all paranoid eh. Well then explain to me why it is that Muhammad did not and could not gather up all the descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the Globe eh. ? You see the Prophet expected at those end of times was coming here just before the apocalypse and he was expected to gather up the descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the Globe. And lead them all to a new promised land. That is the Prophecy of the Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And Isaiah of whom you brag wrote about Muhammad did Prophecy about the gathering up of those Jews why even Jesus gave that a mention as his brooding chicks he said did not want that (the dumbass) Christians expect jesus to return to fulfil that Prophecy because Jesus did not gather up any Jews but was reported as being executed for committing Blasphemy. Which of course was all true.

So then explain why it is that Mad Muhammad did not make any attempt to gather up those Jews from the four corners of the globe. Especially as they were not then scattered to the four corners of the globe. That only happened in the world wars of these centuries. So come on bigmouth tell me why did Muhammad not fulfil that prophecy of Moses and Isaiah and the Living Gods.

As clearly I am education you in religious knowledge then allow me to give you that proof of what I have said is true which you knew I was going to do anyway as that is something I have always done (backed up my mouth with facts.)

Isaiah Ch 11 v 11: And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnants of his people which shall be l;eft, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands, of the Sea.

Isaiah Ch 11 v 12: And he shall set upon an ensign for the nations and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the Globe.


But you know me I can change my mind if I want to as I am the King of the Castle the one who challenged Islam and Islam lost. So to test you the more in your thoughts and those you try and convince. Tell me Maverick and do not shirk as you did the last Times. Tell me do these errors exist in the Koran. Sura4:82. Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.

Moses

The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.

2. How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.

Oh and here is a good link regarding conversations with another Muslim a Shepherdic Jew. It is a d**n good read.

www.geocities.com/end_of_times/muhammoses1.html

Starjade concludes. So then maverick it seems i am always putting you Muslims right on things you are all lying about. But hey by all means go tell your Imam'as about me and warn them already i have challneged Islam many Times and each Time islam bit the Dust.

[Christian militant]

Someone said i am arrogant...hah. I challenge one of you to a debat to see who shall win the prophet of allah or the prophet of Jesus. I know i will win my Lord has promised me that. You are worn and you know it. You claim to hate terriorism but when you hear of terriorist you never confront them. No you muslims sit there and when other religions ( or the west as you liek to say, or infidels ) have to go in there and clean up, we ar invaders. what do you mean brothers and sisters the killersof teriorist are evil and the terriorist are better. You people always contridict yourself. And because of yuor arrogance you will all face hardship.

[Starjade]

Guest-Christian said:

Someone said i am arrogant...hah. I challenge one of you to a debat to see who shall win the prophet of allah or the prophet of Jesus. I know i will win my Lord has promised me that. You are worn and you know it. You claim to hate terriorism but when you hear of terriorist you never confront them. No you muslims sit there and when other religions ( or the west as you liek to say, or infidels ) have to go in there and clean up, we ar invaders. what do you mean brothers and sisters the killersof teriorist are evil and the terriorist are better. You people always contridict yourself. And because of yuor arrogance you will all face hardship.

Starjade says: According to the religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 both Jesus and Muhammad are frauds. You cannot defend jesus against me God given Revelations anymore than a Muslim who could not defend Muhammad or Islam.

I can and already have proven that Jesus is a fraud just as easily as I proved Muhammad is a fraud. The law I have mentioned is a two or three witnesses law that determines matters of the truth. especially with crimes of iniquity and Sin.

Jesus does not have any witnesses to his claims and all who think he does have have been Misled.

To save on wasted arguments let me present you first with this historical evidence. read it so you are forewarned that I can and will prove Jesus is a fraud with much ease.

The Origin of the Arch Angel gabriel:
www.geocities.com/end_of_times/gabriel.html

Starjade says: Be warned not that I am not a Novice and two Christian Ministers of 20 yrs could not defend Jesus against my God given revelations and neither can you.

[AhmedBahgat]

this is for you starfade the pophter

[Starjade]

Starjade says: I have said this before and will say it again. Islam has fallen and Islamic law forces Muslims to convert.

There is a law in the religion of Islam that says: If you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. the matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true and whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false.

The Sura 4:82 of the Koran says:
Do they not consider the Koran with care for if it came from any other than Allah then surely they would have found much discrepancy therein.

There is a challenge that has been going on for about 1400 yrs for anyone Muslim or non-Muslim to take up this Challenge and find just one error in the Koran. If one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God.
Tell me Muslims and do not shirk or lie.
Do these errors exist in the Koran. And I know that they do but I want you Muslims to face these facts and confirm that these errors do exist in the Koran. If these errors do exist in the Koran and be sure that they do. Then this is proof that the Koran did not come from God and this is also proof that Muhammad is a liar and a Fraud and certainly not a Prophet from God as he claimed.

The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.

Moses

The first concerns the adoption of Moses by Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses. It is important to note here that had Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses, he would have consequently been adopted by Pharaoh himself, making him heir to the throne. This fact alone makes the subsequent story of Moses's capture and exile rather incredulous.

Issa
The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it.


King Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 27:16) and the speech of ants (sura 27:18-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah's army (sura 105:3-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 27:17). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 27:20-27).

Note: According to the historical record, Abrah's army was not defeated by bricks dropped on their head. Rather, they withdrew their attack on Mecca after smallpox broke out among the troops (Guillame, Islam, pgs.21ff).

Sura 4:82 errors in the Koran.

In sura 17:101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7:133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine).

In sura 17:103 we are told that Pharaoh was drowned with his army, yet in sura 10:90-92, upon admitting to the power of God, he is rescued as a sign to others.
Jinns & Shooting stars:

Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9.

How are we to understand these suras? Can we believe indeed that Allah throws meteors, which are made up of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non- material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And how do we explain the fact that many of earths meteors come in showers which consequently travel in parallel paths. Are we to thus understand that these parallel paths imply that the devils are all lined up in rows at the same moment?

Muhammad claimed that he fulfilled the Prophecies of Isaiah and yet it is not explained why he did not satisfy this main Prophecy of Isaiah.

The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God’s angels—exactly like Gabriel!

In the Qur’an there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living being—although, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Qur’an and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,

"Ibn ’Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, ‘It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds. In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse: "The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."

Not only ibn ’Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue: "On the authority of Ibn ’Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, ‘Tell us about the thunder. What is it?’ He told them:

‘It is one of God’s angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them.’ They said to him, ‘What is this sound that we hear?’ He said: ‘(It is) his voice (The angel’s voice)."’

The Law of Islam that I have invoked says if those errors do exist in the Koran then the Koran must be rejected and so must all the words of Mad Muhammad.

According to the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. This is a witness law that is designed to determine matters of the truth especially about statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous or sinful. It is not a matter for your own personal opinion; even if nobody wanted to believe the evidence that is presented. If that law is fulfilled, then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious law.

Now then let me see the evidence you Muslims must have that this Angel Gabriel has appeared to mad Muhammad in his Cave. What about those witnesses to when Mad Muhammad claimed that this Angel Gabriel had appeared to him on the Mountainside. You know the Mountain that Muhammad had climbed because he knew he had gone mad and had intended to Kill himself. Isnt it a fact that no such witnesses actually exist. It is all just the claims of Muhammad who was alone each time. And the fact is that the follow Islam of Die law is the only reason this Bulldump story ever actually took off after all we have already seen how deceptive Muslims can be. Well then as there are no witnesses then according to Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 Muhammad has been proven by religious law to be a Fraud. His word must be rejected and the Koran must be rejected and all Muslims must now convert from islam. Islamic law says that this must be so.

I challenge islam. Let an Imam comeonline and give an account as to why Islam is making Blasphemous claims that the Koran itself says are not true. If you meet a Muslim then quote the law I have mentioned above. then Sura 4:82 him. You will find this will tame Islam and its followers will be too embarrissed to continue to worship in the religion of Islam. Islam has fallen and it is in no position to recover. All that is needed is for the word to be spread amongst their congregations.

[Rebel]

seriously speaking...Starjade..you sound so...so..Inhuman...the last thing i want to do is de-humanize someone, but in your case i'll make an excepetion...you always so technical..
Starjade says:
You say:
blah blah blah...

what is WRONG with you? are you on dope or something?

[Starjade]

Clearly you seem unable to have a religious discussion or debate so why are you wasting your Time here.