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Post by joanw on May 29, 2004 10:15:25 GMT -5
Wao starjade! You are such a loyal pregnant dog, keep it up! ;)
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Post by well on May 29, 2004 11:37:55 GMT -5
your main error is that you are trying to create errors in the koran by comparing it to the bible. how do you know the bible is true, you pretentious fool?
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Post by guster on May 30, 2004 11:09:05 GMT -5
BIBLE IS WORD OF GOD and starjade is a pregnant dog who doesnt know that she is pissed off! ;D
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Post by Notorious on May 31, 2004 1:49:41 GMT -5
Every time I debate with an intellectual, I always win; every time I debate with a "jaahil" (ignorant or someone who is not intellectually sincere) I ALWAYS lose.
An intellectual will concede to the reality of the evidence while a "jaahil" person could care less. The "jaahil" person will try to make reality as fantasy, truth as falsehood and facts as opinions. But no one benefits in this life or the Hereafter from denial of reality and its facts and truth.
You speak general verbatim, but verily I sense nothing. Your revalations are nothing more than opinions, my dear friend.
If we are to debate, this deemable 'playing ground' must be changed. I am it is quite a hassle to have to sift through this.
Furthermore, I have read these so called errors and I am truly not impressed. The typical arrogance of the statements is so impressive that one cannot contemplate why an 'intellectualist' would deem this fashionable.
Do you not realize that you take things out of the very context of the religion you deem 'Full of Error'?
Do you not further realize that by doing so, your argument is null?
You take bits and pieces to disapprove a religion, but you don't look at the bigger picture? Is this intellectualism? Is this rational?
In retrospect - your whole argument is devoid. From the eyes of someone who is using their intelligence, maybe it easy. But for the self-styled "Doomsday Prophet", maybe arrogance and wishful thinking is "Jading" your judgement.
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Post by Notorious on May 31, 2004 2:12:33 GMT -5
This malarkey you call your website is comical at best. It is inevitable that you have twisted your own web of mendacity.
The enormity of how much you denounce yourself and your evident cause is perhaps inconcievable.
You refute what you want, you maintain what you like. Ultimately, your arguments are void. The time you spent on this website of yours is void as well.
I understand you said no personal hogwash, but this is beyond personal, because it blends into our arguments. Your general belief about your being is further testament to the fact that you are incorrect, and furthermore, biased.
Therefore, one who is biased can never truly be tought correctly.
My friend, it is called being an Ignorant.
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Now, if you would like to debate with intellectualism rather then your silly prophethood prophecies, then maybe. Though I can say, you did give me a good chuckle or two.
As I stated previously, if you would enjoy in a debate minus ignorance, I will be more than content to.
May peace be with you.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 1, 2004 3:40:23 GMT -5
your main error is that you are trying to create errors in the koran by comparing it to the bible. how do you know the bible is true, you pretentious fool? I know the Old testament is true because i have fulfilled the living God's Prophecy that exists within it. As for it being true i dont care i still am using it to attempt the Exodus of People out of earthquake zones and saving them from extinction. After all it is not what i believe but what those religious people believe that i am utilizing to assist me in convincing them to Exodus. But as should have been expected they broke their Covenant once again and Old Testament laws on Blasphemy say they must be stioned to death and that does tie my hands over that matter. As for trying to create errors that is unjust. The Surah 4:82 says i only need to find one error to prove the Kioran did not come from God. Well now 11 chapters of the Koran are dedicated to glorifying Jesus and Muhammad himself believed in Jesus. The Koran and Muhammad both accept Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. Which is that very Prophet the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Now we both know that Muhammad has claimed that he alone is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Therefore that error does exist not just in the claims of Muhammad being that specific Prophet and Jesus making that same claim but also in the fact that according to Old Testament law which is Gods law neither Jesus or Muhammad have any witnesses to their claims and Old Testament law says they are Guilty of Blasphemy and must be put to death. Now i did not invent those errors any Muslim knows that Muhammad claims that he is that specific Prophet and any Christioan know Jeus claims to be that Prophet and any religious person following Gods laws knows they need witnesses to back up their claims. Just in thiose few statements many errors and discrepances exist and i just pointed those facts out. They are irrefutable as every Muslim knows.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 1, 2004 4:09:52 GMT -5
Notorious you say: Every time I debate with an intellectual, I always win; every time I debate with a "jaahil" (ignorant or someone who is not intellectually sincere) I ALWAYS lose. An intellectual will concede to the reality of the evidence while a "jaahil" person could care less. The "jaahil" person will try to make reality as fantasy, truth as falsehood and facts as opinions. But no one benefits in this life or the Hereafter from denial of reality and its facts and truth.
You speak general verbatim, but verily I sense nothing. Your revelations are nothing more than opinions, my dear friend.
Starjade says: Now come on now Notorious you must do better than that I have screwed up the minds of many religious People with the truth of my Revelations as they tried to talk their ways out of that reality. My words are true and irrefutable as you yourself already know but just cannot accept due to some personal belief that you have been brainwashed with. But I am sure your own common sense will prevail and you shall see the light. And as I am Quoting Old testament laws and Islamic laws and statements taken from Islamic text and Biblical text then I am hardly expressing just an opinion. The facts are there in the open in full view for any mind to think upon and many do for this is not the only forum where these matters are spoken about.
Notorious you say: If we are to debate, this deemable 'playing ground' must be changed. I am it is quite a hassle to have to sift through this.
Starjade says: Huh ? What do you mean? Sometimes I get a lot of questions and answers and debates. So I go through them one at a time. Religion can get deep and complicated but the way I write I think I make these matters easily understood.
Notorious you say: Furthermore, I have read these so called errors and I am truly not impressed. The typical arrogance of the statements is so impressive that one cannot contemplate why an 'intellectualist' would deem this fashionable.
Starjade says: I was not playing at any fashion games or any other games I am very serious about mostly all my statements. I was challenged by a Muslim with the Surah 4: 82 to find any errors in the Koran and I can name more than 21 you can be sure. The main errors of course surround the claims of Muhammad and Jesus being the very same Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And in the Koran and Muhammad both glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet he claimed himself to be whiles Muhammad was claiming himself as being that specific Prophet. Now that is an error. The Koran would have been more sensibly written had it condemned Jesus as being a blasphemous fraud. But it does not.
And further is that if the Koran was the word of God then how come Gods laws of the Old Testament prove Jesus is a fraud. As well as proving Muhammad is also and I can prove Muhammad is a fraud without Old Testament law using Gods end of Times Prophecy that he gave to Moses and history. So there is no error in my word and you are clutching at straws claiming there is. Point out something exact that is wrong and we can go into that at length and we can then see who is right in this matter.
Notorious you say: Do you not realize that you take things out of the very context of the religion you deem 'Full of Error'?
Starjade says: Oh I think I have got the matter spot on. I know I could perhaps have worded the matter better and gone into greater lengths but I only need to find one error and I just named a few here in this text Muhammad and Jesus claiming to be the same Prophet. God’s laws saying their Testimony are false. History and the many signs in the heavens and the appearance of the real Doomsday prophet, which is also a matter, that is irrefutable. Really Notorious you should be impressed by those named errors in the Koran because it is claimed that in 1400 years nobody has ever found any errors. Well they were not educated in several religions as I am and they did not look very hard. And yet in 10 minutes of being issued that challenge by a Muslim I already named 12 errors and in re wording those errors I named 21 errors and you are not refuting them as yet are you instead you are just condemning my words as if they were untrue. I expect better religious discussions from a Muslim if you people are as religious as you claim for in the end it is the Living God that maters and who you should be giving your worship too.
Notorious you say: Do you not further realize that by doing so, your argument is null?
Starjade says: I have already proven errors in the Koran and you are not yet refuting those errors just claiming that my word is untrue, yet don’t forget that others can read and they don’t think as you do they have their own minds and judgements. Not all humans are fools and they can see those errors hard and cold and in line with reality that cannot be escaped.
Notorious you say: You take bits and pieces to disapprove a religion, but you don't look at the bigger picture? Is this intellectualism? Is this rational?
Starjade says: Still you are not refuting my words or the errors I have shown existing in the Koran. The bigger picture is that the Living God has said we must not follow false Prophets no mater how much you idolise them. The living God promised Moses he would raise up a Prophet and that man sure as hell is not Jesus or Muhammad but myself and I have the ability to save millions of millions from that extinction but not whiles my hands are tied by their worshipping false Prophets. There is a very bigger picture for sure but you cannot see that picture with my eyes for I am that Saviour. And that is another matter you will find irrefutable and so many thought they could dispute that claim and found they were mistaken. That evidence does exist on the end of Times web site. And other websites around the world. I do get about.
Notorious you say: In retrospect - your whole argument is devoid. From the eyes of someone who is using their intelligence, maybe it easy. But for the self-styled "Doomsday Prophet", maybe arrogance and wishful thinking is "Jading" your judgement.
Starjade says: Still you have not opened conversations about the errors in the Koran that I have displayed. You just hope to dispute my words by condemning me but that will not alter the truth of those statements.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 1, 2004 4:28:21 GMT -5
Notorious you say: This malarkey you call your website is comical at best. It is inevitable that you have twisted your own web of mendacity.
Starjade says: Sticks and stones may break my bones hahaha have you ever heard that saying. That web site by the way is not mine. It belongs to the Mad Philosopher Liberty Girl who began collecting my writings some years ago and displayed them on that website. She is the one who put those Maps there. I am a trained web page designer and so she did give me the passwords so I could place data there. But it was meant just for her own personal use. Many other websites also display my words that they also have collected and three website also display those Maps.
Still you shoot the messenger yet you do not dispute the errors that are displayed in the Koran. Making my words even stronger.
Notorious you say: The enormity of how much you denounce yourself and your evident cause is perhaps inconcievable.
Starjade says: Huh ? I think you may have to speak in simpler terms as I am losing that understanding of your thoughts. In fact using Old Testament law and history and the many signs in the heavens and Gods word I am proven to be that very specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up and that is another mater that you will be unable to dispute. I know two 20 yrs Christians ordained Ministers who bit the dust trying to dispute my claims and they discovered they couldn’t and neither can you or anyone else on this Planet. On this matter I stand on solid ground. You only have your beliefs and they have already been shown to be full of errors.
Notorious you say: You refute what you want, you maintain what you like. Ultimately, your arguments are void. The time you spent on this website of yours is void as well.
Starjade says: Stop wishful thinking your opinions and hopes they are delusions and try and refute those errors that exist in the Koran. You have done nothing but show that my words are so true they have left you stumped for words. I told you I am not a Novice. Get a print out of those errors and take them to your Imam. He is just as lost as you are and in no position to dispute my words but maybe he can voice his opinion after all he is supposedly an expert on the Koran. He will fail to dispute those errors just as you are doing.
Notorious you say: I understand you said no personal hogwash, but this is beyond personal, because it blends into our arguments. Your general belief about your being is further testament to the fact that you are incorrect, and furthermore, biased. Therefore, one who is biased can never truly be tought correctly. My friend, it is called being an Ignorant.
Starjade says: According to the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 V 15 which is God’s religious law that is designed to determine the truth especially regarding statements that could be deemed as being Blasphemous or sinful. All of my words are proven to be true. Islamic laws also agree with me and so does the Surah 4: 82. You have spoken and yet not disputed those words in the Koran. In 1400 years I seem to be the first to come along pointing out these errors so I am far from ignorant. An Arab once taught me a word on the internet. That word is Kuffar. It means one who hides the truth. In your statements you have borderlined being a Kuffar but no matter what I shall always show you the truth and one day you also will see the light.
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Post by Notorious on Jun 1, 2004 9:34:03 GMT -5
Simpler terms... Alright...
Read closely, friend.
Let me give you a little history lesson on the Old Testament.
The Old Testament is a collection of works of greatly differing length and many different genres. They were written in several languages over a period of more than nine hundred years, based on oral tradition. Many of these works were corrected and completed in accordance with events and special requirements, often at periods that were very distant from one another.
This literation probably flowered at the beginning of the Israelite Monarchy, around the 11th century B.C. It was at this period that a body of scribes appeared among the members of the royal household. They were cultivated men whose role was not limited to writing. The first incomplete writings, may date from this period. There was a special reason for writing these works down; there were a certain number of songs, the prophetic oracles of Jacob and Moses, the Ten Commandments and, on a more general level, the legislative texts which established a religious tradition before the formation of the law. All these texts constitute fragments sccatered here and there throughout the various collections of the Old Testament.
It was not till a little later, possibly during the 10th century B.C., that the so-called 'Yahvist' text of Pentateuch was written. This text was to form the backbone of the first five books ascribed to Moses. Later, the so-called Elohist text was to be added, also the so-called Sacerdotal versian. The initial Yahvist text deals with the origins of the world up to the death of Jacob. This text comes from the southern kingdom Judah.
Further deeper into the history, one will examine this texts and see the depth of the error. In a space of little more than 100 lines of English text, the text changes 17 times. It is from this that the improbabilities and contradictions arise when we read the present day text.
But, you don't care if it's true do you, just the fact that some other people are misled.
And what is this prophecy of yours anyway?
A simple error in the Quran can destroy it's whole meaning. Imagine! If someone comes along and their prophecy is filled with bountless errors, doesn't that refute their error? You can't try to find an error in something which is error filled.
Hmm... It's like checking a test with a wrong test key.
Trying to sift through... Again, what are you talking about with the Prophecies and such. That is incorrect in the fact that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH never said he would come back to life on this world. He never will.
As we said previously, we proved the Old Testament to be more than incorrect. You said it yourself, so that argument is null.
"That specific Prophet", what are you talking about? We know him as the Last Prophet.
The statements you made are error-filled and have origins of error. How can they be fact?
Actually I am seeing more and more errors in your prophecies as I read more. I have already seen the light.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH and the Prophet Jesus PBUH are not the same prophet. It is never said to be so. As for raising up as you put it, I believe you have that mixed with "bringing back". You may think they are the same, but they are different in that bringing back is returning to and raising up is pretaining to from the dead. So there is an error in your "error", so therefore it isn't an error anymore, right?
I really am not understanding how your considering Jesus is a fraud. Show me this end of times prophecy of yours that you consider your statements truth. Remember though, you can't prove an error with an error...
I have already pointed out many errors.
Well we just proved that they are not the same prophet because no where in the Quran it says they are the same.
Actually I am pretty educated on multiple religions.
The only God I believe in and bow to is Allah SWT.
I see no need to quote any other of your stuff, because I believe I have succeeded in this debate. You said find specific errors and from just what you've given me I have found your errors.
And the reason I posted that quote of ignorance and what-not is that, if you are an ignorant, you will ignore these things I said and not accept them as fact. That's why I win with intellectuals and not with ignorants.
Peace.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 3, 2004 4:43:52 GMT -5
Notorious you say: Let me give you a little history lesson on the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a collection of works of greatly differing length and many different genres. They were written in several languages over a period of more than nine hundred years, based on oral tradition. Many of these works were corrected and completed in accordance with events and special requirements, often at periods that were very distant from one another.
Starjade says: Yeah you know I have had many arguments in the past with people over the differences in my own knowledge of the Old Testament and the one that they are accepting as being Gospel. I also tried to point out that the Christians re worded those Testaments for their own purposes but to me it is simply a means to convince millions of religious people to Exodus certain regions on this Planet that are non survivable when the Earthquakes and land movements I have Prophesied happen.
I personally could not care less even if they worshipped a stone but as they follow those doctrines then I will use that Text to convince them of the realities of certain religious issues. The Old Testament is not so far removed from the truth and is accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes and let us not forget those who have their own reason to want to display the Old Testament as being untrue especially as they re invented their own religions from the basis of that text.
Notorious you say: This literation probably flowered at the beginning of the Israelite Monarchy, around the 11th century B.C.
Starjade says: Now the word probably does not imply fact only supposition.
Notorious you say: It was at this period that a body of scribes appeared among the members of the royal household. They were cultivated men whose role was not limited to writing. The first incomplete writings, may date from this period. There was a special reason for writing these works down; there were a certain number of songs, the prophetic oracles of Jacob and Moses, the Ten Commandments and, on a more general level, the legislative texts which established a religious tradition before the formation of the law. All these texts constitute fragments scattered here and there throughout the various collections of the Old Testament.
Starjade says: And let us not forget the lost text and the texts and Testimonies that are not entered into the Bible.
Notorious you say: It was not till a little later, possibly during the 10th century B.C., that the so-called 'Yahvist' text of Pentateuch was written. This text was to form the backbone of the first five books ascribed to Moses. Later, the so-called Elohist text was to be added, also the so-called Sacerdotal versian. The initial Yahvist text deals with the origins of the world up to the death of Jacob. This text comes from the southern kingdom Judah.
Starjade says: Still the descendants of Isaac are still waiting for the living God to raise them up a Prophet who will gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them all to a new Promised land. That Prophecy of the living God’s has not changed even though the Text of the Bible does. Muhammad and Jesus both made claims to be that very specific Prophet so despite these Statements of yours they do not change that fact do they. And it is that Prophecy and those others that surround it that I have fulfilled and Jesus and Muhammad did not and could not. In fact Old Testament law and history proves that Jesus and Muhammad could not have been that Prophet God promised Moses he would raise up and that is what these matters are all about.
Old Testament laws of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 in fact show through witness Testimonies that Jesus and Muhammad do not have any witnesses to them selves and according to Old Testament law their Testimonies are therefore considered to be false. And history also confirms that their claims are false. I am the only genuine Prophet who has fulfilled that Prophecy and the Jews only refused to Exodus because my plans insisted that they sell off the present lands of Israel to the Muslims for larger land in North Africa. They did not like that idea but I am adamant.
To this day you and I both know that Muhammad and Jesus do not have witness Testimonies. The matter is entirely just their word that we are expected to believe. In the case of Islam it is forbidden to even attempt to dispute the claims of Muhammad and so Islam has got away with that deception as Muslim then will not look so closely at what they are led to believe. Yet look Surah 4:82 if any error or discrepancy exists in the Koran then the Koran is not sent from nor is it the word of God. And I named 21 errors and discrepancies and under those words as can be seen by any Muslim are other errors that are self evident and any Muslim who know his own religion can see those errors and they do have common sense no matter what they are led to believe and Islamic laws now say they must reject the Koran and the word of Muhammad.
Notorious you say: Further deeper into the history, one will examine this texts and see the depth of the error. In a space of little more than 100 lines of English text, the text changes 17 times. It is from this that the improbabilities and contradictions arise when we read the present day text.
Starjade says; The main reason why English text and Bible have different words is because all Bibles containing the Old Testament are written to promote the Christians Jesus as being that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. So they had to change some words to make their Testimony fit. But as with Islam and Christianity you can see as well as anyone else they all use the same Text to get their points across then in those religions there is no debating the authenticity of that Text. They both state the same Text in the Prophecy God gave to Moses and they all claim the same Text in the Prophecy of Isaiah and also regarding Old Testament laws.
And we cannot forget that the origin of Islam and Christianity is all originated from that Prophetic claim of the Prophesied Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And both those religions came from the descendants of Abraham who is ultimately the leader and the originator of the religion that both Christianity and Islam stem from. That is where its roots are and that is why all followers of those two other religious beliefs are still bound by Old Testament law that they are happy to quote as being the accepted Text in their religious doctrines.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 3, 2004 4:44:46 GMT -5
Notorious you say: But, you don't care if it's true do you, just the fact that some other people are misled.
Starjade says: Notorious I can be proven to be that very specific Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. I already proved that to the Jews way back in 1995 and the matter is irrefutable and nobody on this Planet is in any position to dispute that fact. The descendants of Isaac as I have said broke their Covenant with the living God even though they knew I could prove I was who I could prove myself to be. So I looked at the other descendants of Abraham and the Ishmaelites many of whom have converted to Islam and believe that Muhammad is that long awaited Prophet. However he was not and so I have no choice but to points those facts out to them do i. And let us also not forget that the Living God that I came from has said we must not follow false Prophets and false Gods and so it is natural that as I am proven to be a Prophet from God then I am going to point out the Blasphemy of others who do follow false Prophets and false Gods. It is nothing personal. But I do have reasons for pointing out those errors especially so when this Planet is in the shadow of an apocalypse that will cause this Planet to become extinct.
I do not see why my attempts at saving the lives of Billions of people should be condemned after all they are your people and your children and your family as much as mine and in reality you would have expected and would have wanted me to try and save them even when faced with such daunting odds and as you see I do what I do and I am good at what I do and that was why the living God chose me out of everyone to do that Job.
Notorious you say: And what is this prophecy of yours anyway?
Starjade says: The End of Times Doomsday apocalypse. The extinction of the species on this Planet from a Major apocalypse of horrifying earthquakes that can be seen in the rough map on the End of Times website to some degree but it is a lot worse that can be seen in a drawing. I did go to college to learn how to use Flash and Photoshop so I can re create that scene more accurately but as I don’t own my own computer then that shall have to wait. This devastation can be read about in my return from beyond the grave. You were all paring to God for help in that future Time and so I was sent here in the past to see if I could save you all from that fate. Of course I know many died as I saw that happen but I may have done something that caused some to escape that fate. So my efforts are worthwhile either way and this is why I will never back down from the statements I make and why I must show the other two false Prophets Jesus and Muhammad who are claim that they are that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up are not who they claim themselves to be. And I can do that almost too easily as I have shown. False claimants are blasphemous and religious law says they should have been put to death. Well Power mad people promoted those false Prophets and now I am exposing their deception as a matter of course.
SJ Quote: As for trying to create errors that is unjust. The Surah 4:82 says i only need to find one error to prove the Koran did not come from God.
Notorious you say: A simple error in the Quran can destroy it's whole meaning. Imagine! If someone comes along and their prophecy is filled with bountless errors, doesn't that refute their error? You can't try to find an error in something which is error filled.
Starjade says: If something is full of errors then it shows itself to be untrue. And I have shown over 21 errors in the Koran really as you well know.
Notorious you say: Hmm... It's like checking a test with a wrong test key.
Starjade says: As the Koran is seen to be in error and also the word of Muhammad then it is clear they are not who they are claiming to be and that includes Jesus. This leaves only one conclusion in proof that they are frauds. That conclusion is that if they are not that Prophet that they were claiming to be then the real Prophet has yet to turn up. Unless of course you think that the living God was lying to Moses when he said he would raise up that Prophet. Well If that Prophet is not Jesus or Muhammad then it clearly must be someone else.
Notorious you are an intelligent person with your own mind. I tell you as I have proven to others I can be proven by Religious law and those many signs in the heavens and my own acts and deeds to be that very specific Prophet and as you can see I am not afraid to back my mouth up and prove it. I have already challenged the world congregations over these issues and to this day it is known that nobody on this Planet is in any position to dispute my statements and many so very many have tried and failed. You see my evidence is backed up by religious law and are already established as being true.
Not even you are in any position to dispute my claims and you are welcome to try. But be cautious for each time you try you just make me all the more powerful and you also will be converted.
SJ Quote: Well now 11 chapters of the Koran are dedicated to glorifying Jesus and Muhammad himself believed in Jesus. The Koran and Muhammad both accept Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. Which is that very Prophet the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.Now we both know that Muhammad has claimed that he alone is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Therefore that error does exist not just in the claims of Muhammad being that specific Prophet and Jesus making that same claim but also in the fact that according to Old Testament law which is Gods law neither Jesus or Muhammad have any witnesses to their claims and Old Testament law says they are Guilty of Blasphemy and must be put to death.
Notorious you say: Trying to sift through... Again, what are you talking about with the Prophecies and such. That is incorrect in the fact that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH never said he would come back to life on this world. He never will.
Starjade says: Do not let Christian beliefs and dogma infiltrate your thinking try and remember that Christianity is fabricated. Muhammad claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. This long awaited Prophet was Prophesied to gather up all the descendants of Abraham from the four corners of the globe and he would lead those people to a new Promised Land. This was supposed to occur before that apocalypse occurred. Jesus claimed he was that Prophet yet did not attempt to gather up anyone nor could he as they were not scattered and that is why the Christians believe Jesus will come back to fulfil that Prophecy that he did not fulfil when he is claimed to be alive.
Muhammad also did not fulfil that Prophecy and if he had been that Prophet he claimed himself to be then he would have done that task whiles he was alive. The fact that he is long dead is historical evidence that he could not have been that specific Prophet.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 3, 2004 6:11:33 GMT -5
Notorious you say: As we said previously, we proved the Old Testament to be more than incorrect. You said it yourself, so that argument is null. Starjade says: There are statements that have been changed in the Holy Biles that contain the Old and New Testaments but the Old Testament is correct. A few changed words by Christians do not alter the text enough to invalidate the Old Testaments statements and the Koran itself is more than happy to quote the Old Testament statements and so you are clutching at straws if you think that you can claim the Old Testament is not valid when the statements and Prophecies of the Old Testament are actually used in the Koran and by the Muslims self appointed Prophet Muhammad in order to authenticate his claims. You cannot say the Old Testament is not valid and then use the Old testament to Promote Muhammad as being that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. So you have not proved the Old Testament is incorrect. Especially as Muslims use the Old Testament and its statements to promote Muhammad as being that Prophet and the Old Testament is mentioned in the Koran right back from the days of Abraham. So your argument on this matter is invalid. SJ Quote: Now i did not invent those errors any Muslim knows that Muhammad claims that he is that specific Prophet and any Christioan know Jeus claims to be that Prophet and any religious person following Gods laws knows they need witnesses to back up their claims. Notorious you say: "That specific Prophet", what are you talking about? We know him as the Last Prophet. Starjade says: When I speak of that specific Prophet I am referring always to that specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Nobody else. And Error in the Koran no 21 states clearly that I can be proven by religious law to be a real and genuine Prophet and Seer of the future and that is irrefutable. So your self appointed Prophet is in error for he died long ago and to this very day it can be proven I am a Prophet who can be proven to have a connection to the Living God. That is provable and I laugh and scoff at those who believe that their opinions can be validated when religious law proves my words to be a fact. Muhammad was very much mistaken and the living God can send as many Prophets to this Planet as the living God wants, it is not the place of any man to say what God can or cannot do. SJ Quote: Just in those few statements many errors and discrepances exist and i just pointed those facts out. They are irrefutable as every Muslim knows. Notorious you say: The statements you made are error-filled and have origins of error. How can they be fact? Starjade says: Notorious why not try and name one of those errors you think is not true instead of escaping that issue without commitment. There are no errors in my words regarding the errors that exist in the Koran. I do not see you refuting those errors all I see you do is try to make out the Old Testament is invalid whiles forgetting that the Koran and Muhammad himself used that very text to proclaim himself as being that very specific prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Now if you can point out any specific Error you think is untrue then point that error out. And do be careful for we both know that I am speaking about matters that can be proven to be a fact. And so far no Muslim has disputed them. We all know Islamic history and the claims of Muhammad and so we have our eyes wide open. SJ Quote: Now come on now Notorious you must do better than that I have screwed up the minds of many religious People with the truth of my Revelations as they tried to talk their ways out of that reality. My words are true and irrefutable as you yourself already know but just cannot accept due to some personal belief that you have been brainwashed with. But I am sure your own common sense will prevail and you shall see the light. And as I am Quoting Old testament laws and Islamic laws and statements taken from Islamic text and Biblical text then I am hardly expressing just an opinion. The facts are there in the open in full view for any mind to think upon and many do for this is not the only forum where these matters are spoken about. Notorious you say: Actually I am seeing more and more errors in your prophecies as I read more. I have already seen the light. Starjade says: Confident claims yet I do not see you daring to point those errors in my words out. Wishful thinking is not going to disprove my words why not back up your mouth with actual points showing those errors you are saying exist and yet not actual pointing the finger at any one error that I have shown. And speaking of ONE: Remember the Surah 4:82 says I only needed to show one error or discrepancy to prove the Koran did not come from God. And in the proving of that one error this Proves the Koran is deceptive and originated from the minds of man. This invalidates the Koran as being a Holy Book and if errors do exist as they clearly do then it is clearly manipulating the congregations with ulterior motives. 10% of a personal wage of course and Power over the people is tempters and it is lucrative of such churches to convince the congregations to follow their religious beliefs. When they get such cash wealth from them. SJ Quote: I was not playing at any fashion games or any other games I am very serious about mostly all my statements. I was challenged by a Muslim with the Surah 4: 82 to find any errors in the Koran and I can name more than 21 you can be sure. The main errors of course surround the claims of Muhammad and Jesus being the very same Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And in the Koran and Muhammad both glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet he claimed himself to be whiles Muhammad was claiming himself as being that specific Prophet. Now that is an error. The Koran would have been more sensibly written had it condemned Jesus as being a blasphemous fraud. But it does not. Notorious you say: The Prophet Muhammad PBUH and the Prophet Jesus PBUH are not the same prophet. It is never said to be so. As for raising up as you put it, I believe you have that mixed with "bringing back". You may think they are the same, but they are different in that bringing back is returning to and raising up is pretaining to from the dead. So there is an error in your "error", so therefore it isn't an error anymore, right? Starjade says: Of course it does not say so in the Koran that is the error in the Koran in that it claims to be the word of God and yet did not know that Jesus claimed that he was that specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Jesus claimed Moses and Isaiah had been writing about him in their Prophecies. But Muhammad was not aware of that nor were the writers of the Koran, because they claimed that Muhammad was that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and Muhammad claimed that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about him. Now you may have just been educated with the Islamic religion as are many Muslims. But I have been educated with Judaism and Christianity and Islam and some other religions as well. When you read the statements of other religions then you notice the errors and discrepancies. Jesus and Muhammad are both definitely claiming that they are that very specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is a written historical fact. They both claim that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about them in their Prophecies regarding that Prophet that God promised moses he would raise up. And that is why it is a fact that Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming to be that very specific Prophet. Please allow me to leave you this link to the Origin of the Angel Gabriel, which both Jesus and Muhammad have used to authenticate their claims to being that specific Prophet. It will explain much of this same claims mystery to you. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/gabriel.html Be sure Notorious that Jesus and Muhammad are both claiming to be that very same specific Prophet. I suggest you re read those errors in the Koran as I pointed this matter out as being a very serious flaw in the Text of the Koran and no Muslim can alter that fact as it is all a matter of history.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 3, 2004 6:12:23 GMT -5
SJ Quote: And further is that if the Koran was the word of God then how come Gods laws of the Old Testament prove Jesus is a fraud. As well as proving Muhammad is also and I can prove Muhammad is a fraud without Old Testament law using Gods end of Times Prophecy that he gave to Moses and history. So there is no error in my word and you are clutching at straws claiming there is. Point out something exact that is wrong and we can go into that at length and we can then see who is right in this matter. Notorious you say: I really am not understanding how your considering Jesus is a fraud. Show me this end of times prophecy of yours that you consider your statements truth. Remember though, you can't prove an error with an error... Starjade says: Considering Jesus is claiming to be that same Prophet that Muhammad is claiming to be: which is that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up: then you should be overjoyed that Jesus can be proven by the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 Verse 15 to be a Fraud. Unfortunately so can Muhammad be proven to be a fraud by that same law. And Muhammad believed in Jesus 11 chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus unaware that Jesus claimed he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And that is why I pointed these errors existing in the Koran out to you. Now you are starting to see that error. As for the End of Times Prophecy. Here is a map on this page and if you scan down then look at the Journey beyond the Grave. The End of Times Prophecies exist at the end of that text. You see I saw that event on my return to this Planet whiles in astral flight at that future Time. That is how I know so much about it. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/ Notorious you say: I have already pointed out many errors. Starjade says: No you have not you have only claimed that certain things you believe are true must reflect on my words as if my words to you must be errors. But in fact my word is true and those Errors do exist in the Koran. I have not made any errors. SJ Quote: Oh I think I have got the matter spot on. I know I could perhaps have worded the matter better and gone into greater lengths but I only need to find one error and I just named a few here in this text Muhammad and Jesus claiming to be the same Prophet. God’s laws saying their Testimony are false. History and the many signs in the heavens and the appearance of the real Doomsday prophet, which is also a matter, that is irrefutable. Really Notorious you should be impressed by those named errors in the Koran because it is claimed that in 1400 years nobody has ever found any errors. Well they were not educated in several religions as I am and they did not look very hard. And yet in 10 minutes of being issued that challenge by a Muslim I already named 12 errors and in re wording those errors I named 21 errors and you are not refuting them as yet are you instead you are just condemning my words as if they were untrue. I expect better religious discussions from a Muslim if you people are as religious as you claim for in the end it is the Living God that maters and who you should be giving your worship too. Notorious you say: Well we just proved that they are not the same prophet because no where in the Quran it says they are the same. Starjade says: It says in the Koran that Muhammad is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and it says that Muhammad was written about by Moses and Isaiah as Muhammad claimed that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. It says in 11 chapters of the Koran that Jesus was the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be and even Muhammad believed that Jesus was who Jesus claimed himself to be. However according to all Christians and their New Testament Jesus is claimed to be that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about Jesus in their Prophecies. Jesus said in John Chapter 5 Verse 46: for had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me , for he wrote of me. Verse 47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words. This is why the Koran and Muhammad were religiously ignorant not to know the claims of Jesus and his disciples. Hence it is one big error in the Koran that brings down the religion of Islam to the feet of Starjade. As I have said read the orgin of the Arch Angel Gabriel it will educate you on the Christians religion and show you flaws that exist in the Koran. Why did you think they called Jesus the King of the Jews. It was because that long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up is ultimately the King of all Jews just as Moses was. Because Jesus was executed for Blasphemy then the Christians claimed in their dreams that Jesus will come back and over long time history those claims became religious beliefs. The point is the Koran promotes Muhammad as being that Prophet. Whiles also glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus is claimed to be. Now you see the big error is in this claim of Muhammad as being the same Prophet that Jesus was claimed to be. I am right on this matter and you are in no position to dispute it. This shows a very serious error in the Koran and once again it shows that I am in a position to speak. Hahaha why this is also a reason why your Imams are afraid of me and of my Revelations. They know that they are stuffed. Because these are matters they cannot escape or explain away. You don’t see me being accused of Blasphemy do you not by anyone. They do not want my revelations loose on the very public world. Although it is inevitable and in fact the Internet already has that information and in religious knowledge I can run circle around all of your religious Preachers as many already know.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 3, 2004 6:12:48 GMT -5
Notorious you say: Actually I am pretty educated on multiple religions. The only God I believe in and bow to is Allah SWT.
Starjade say: And is this Allah a God that Muhammad has described to you or it is the living God of Abraham. Think carefully about your reply.
Notorious you say: I see no need to quote any other of your stuff, because I believe I have succeeded in this debate. You said find specific errors and from just what you've given me I have found your errors.
Starjade says: As a matter of fact Notorious you will have to re think your beliefs on many levels for in fact I have made no error but you have made that error in underestimating me and the word and revelations that I have given. I have even shown in this Text many errors that do exist in the Koran and you have not refuted them. You simply said that you don’t believe the truth of my words and that is not refuting them it is simply.
Notorious you say: And the reason I posted that quote of ignorance and what-not is that, if you are an ignorant, you will ignore these things I said and not accept them as fact. That's why I win with intellectuals and not with ignorants.Peace.
Starjade says: Anyone reading this Text will see that I am not the ignorant one in fact I am the first in 1400 years to show many errors that exist in the Koran. You have not presented any facts that prove my word is wrong you have made statements that I was able to relpy to that showed your words to be wrong. People will think you are over confident and I did caution you not to be so careless. Many others who were religious experts have come before you and they all failed to dispute my words and you have failed also.
You cannot dispute the truth and that is what I presented. And you have not won any of your arguments with me so next time you try you might leave your ego at home.
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Post by Notorious on Jun 3, 2004 17:48:11 GMT -5
Now. You need to pay close attention… I don’t stay nice to ignorants a lot
You are saying here that they have reworded their Testaments for their own purpose. I am glad we agree on something. By the way – I am glad you think you’re a Prophet.
Well. I have found a little circle-lapse within what you said right here. You said the Old Testament is not “…so far removed from the truth and is accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes…” – My friend, this does not make sense at all. How can you prove that it is the truth if this is the means you are trying to show the ‘religious people’ the truth? What are you comparing the Old Testament to – to make sure that is “…accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes…”? How have you come to this raw conclusion?
This word implies that this is not the exact date but a close reality. Regardless, this has nothing to do with this discussion, does it?
Do you not know how the Bible came to be? I don’t exactly know what lost text and texts and testimonies you are speaking of, but surely, you can’t tell the exact origin, therefore you cannot determine what has been entered and what hasn’t. It’s a paradox, the ones that are entered, well, your not going to consider them “not entered”, so how can we provide evidence of what IS NOT implemented?
Show me specific scriptures of what your exactly talking about. What exactly is a Prophet God? New Promised Land? Prophecy of the living God? I don’t understand these words! Are they in fact relevant to the argument at hand, errors in the Quran?
According to many Catholic and Christian scholars, the Bible says nothing about the Prophet Muhammad. So how is it that it is in Deuteronomy? Are they’re names specifically there? How have you come to this conclusion? Oh, you have spoken to the Israelis? Who are you? How old are you? Surely, you must be very well known!
Witness testimonies? What is this you speak of. So now your saying Jesus is a “fake” as well? Oh my! Now your proving an “Error originated” book with an “Error filled” book. Aren’t we being very conspicuous? Like I said… you can’t prove something wrong with right. The Bible has been changed. The Quran has never been changed.
You said you only found 12! Now 21? Oh my, your on a roll! But I thought we just proved that one of those errors aren’t correct! I’m just starting, and your not listening? This just proves you an ignorant. What I have said and you have not disputed, you ignore. This nullifies all you say.
Or maybe they were changed overtime to suit the needs of the specific people of that time. If what you are saying is correct, there would be only one changed copy of the Bible, not hundreds upon thousands. You see? Well, I guess I am not as well as everyone and I do not see exactly how they use the same text to get their points across. In fact, they look very different.
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