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Post by Notorious on Jun 3, 2004 17:49:24 GMT -5
Can you, once again, please give me the specifics of the “Prophet the God promised Moses to raise up”? I would like to see this book and such. I believe, that the book of Moses is the Torah. You do know that the Torah is changed as well, falling under the same circumstances as the Bible. You argument seems to be developing a lot of loopholes as we go on. Will you just ignore this as you have done before? They aren’t “Bound” to anything. As a Muslim, we believe that these were the words of God, but were changed. Therefore you cannot truly assume the law or not.
Prove to me what you say is true. “The Jews” is a very large spectrum. Who are these people exactly? Can you prove to be that you are this specific Prophet? And I really am not understanding this whole ‘living God’ thing. Allah told us not to follow false Prophets, but I guess that could be something I would naturally do. You probably have come in contact with this haven’t you?
Attention: Another loophole. You said that “the prophet Moses was promised to be brought up”, as in given birth specifically, not chosen. By chosen your saying among the masses. This doesn’t make sense.
Ah, so now you’re a savior? And you went to college? One more thing now and you’ll have a hat trick of stuff up your sleeve. (Silly Humor, excuse me!). I really don’t see the truth in this. You haven’t done this easily. On the contrary, it is becoming very apparent that you increasingly don’t have much background on what your saying. Saving people is good though. So we can agree on that. I just don’t know about everything else.
You keep saying the same thing but your not paying attention, I believe we just disapproved what your trying to say. And I don’t “well know”
Where did he claim to be the Prophet “they were claiming to be [including Jesus]”? Your saying that by drawing this, let’s say hypothetically, then there must be another Prophet around here. I guess you found this task daunting enough to take it upon yourself. Or maybe, in your Living God to Moses prophecy, your sources are wrong… Remember… the test key…
Why, thank you. But, saying this with a heavy heart, I am in front of you to dispute your own claims. So I guess I’m someone, as you said with your comment towards me that I thank. I don’t understand that, your prophecy seems to be so worldly renown yet all you have is a free Geocities site to back this up?
There were fake Prophet’s during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. To be honest, they sound very similar to you. Just as before though, they died down and nothing was to become of them but history.
I have been in a position to dispute your claims for a while. So is every other Muslim on this earth. Thank you for welcoming me to try, but I believe I have already done this. Are you ignoring what has been happening again? We’ve went over this, my dear misled friend.
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Post by Notorious on Jun 3, 2004 17:50:05 GMT -5
Oh, I can tell you are becoming more powerful! I can say with utmost certainty that what you say will never happen. Well, I guess I can use your own words against yourself. Since you consider yourself a Prophet, that means that what you say is true and will happen. So I guess when I die a Muslim (a good one, Inshallah) that will further prove that you are wrong! We are just putting on more and more errors on your argument.
But we are straying from the main argument once again, are you shying away from the truth?
Which 11 chapters in the Quran? I will be happy to read on them and investigate myself. “Be specific”
Are you losing sight of what’s happening? I am not letting any beliefs other than those of Islam to “infiltrate”. I’m a Muslim – if that hasn’t already been made clear.
And some math for you, a globe, which is a sphere, does not have corners.
You still haven’t shown me the words of this prophecy.
I just provided information that the Old Testament was changed. Have you picked up two Bibles and compared them? They are not a few words. Have you ever played ‘telephone’? I don’t see where I am using the Old Testament to promote the Prophet Muhammad, especially for your Moses Theory (PBUH Moses). Once again, ignorance. Do you see why I posted that quote in the beginning? Are we going to continue on and on? YOUR argument is VOID.
I still don’t know what you mean by “that Prophet”
Text, text, text. That still doesn’t give me any information other than what you have given me previously.
I’m seriously laughing over here. Ignorance is bliss I presume? What is error No. 21, show me this error.
You like that catch line, I guess. “as _______ knows”. I don’t know. I’m a Muslim. Another error! I pointed out further that those errors are incorrect and you still have not taken it upon yourself to prove me incorrect.
I have done so – are you not reading? Tisk tisk! Are you guilty of a large sum of ignorance?
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Post by Notorious on Jun 3, 2004 17:50:53 GMT -5
Want to know honestly what my common sense tells me? Honestly? But please don’t let this nullify that you have called me an intelligent person. I think your not-so well in the head, or extremely misled. It seems that this has been well-bred because your mule like stubbornness, a tendency to skip over the truth and ignore it, and general ignorance seems very deeply rooted. This isn’t personal though. You put your own personal self out in this debate, as for me, I am just a provider of information. I claim not to be a Prophet or anything of the sort.
I believe I already have. Do you want me to go through all your errors and disapprove each and every one of them? Will this show you that you are wrong? I have already proven one incorrect yet to continue to claim that I have not. Are you ignoring the truth? You have not proven to me that there ARE errors for me to refute! All you have done is provide some false information and so-called “errors” that have no basis. So give me a true “error” and I will try to decipher this. What does personal wage have to do with anything? Maybe in Catholic or Protestant Churches, but in Islam, we say that whatever money has been sitting in a bank account or the like, 2.5% of that should be donated to the poor or needy. Nothing more than this.
Where does it say that they are the same Prophet? Give me a credible source please. It has come to be known that the Testaments are not very credible.
I believe I said previously that I am knowledgeable in other religions as well. I believe that if I was not I would be qualified to be here debating. On the other hand, I don’t believe that you were educated very much for Islam, because you have shown above that you believe that we must pay 10%. You have also said that it says in the Quran that The Prophets Muhammad and Jesus said they were equal, and they then recently you just said that this is not so.
I stay to the task at hand. Errors in the Quran. Not the Origin of the Angel Gabriel, which is a servant of Almighty Allah SWT. You said earlier that in the Quran that they did not claim to be the same prophet. According to many Christian knowledgeable, it doesn’t say anything about the Prophet Muhammad in the Bible, but again I can disapprove that as well. Double-edged sword to desolate your arguments.
Your just giving Bible quotes, show me what they mean. Show me! Once again, your trying to prove the last Prophet of Islam to be wrong with the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, Torah, whatever it is.
Oh my! What a scary website. It says if I’m a Muslim I should leave. Okay.
Of course I am using what I believe in (The Quran) to disapprove your claims, because you still have not proven that it is not truth. Kind of like, “Innocent till proven guilty”
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Post by Notorious on Jun 3, 2004 17:51:29 GMT -5
Gabriel it will educate you on the Christians religion and show you flaws that exist in the Koran.
Why did you think they called Jesus the King of the Jews. It was because that long awaited Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up is ultimately the King of all Jews just as Moses was. Because Jesus was executed for Blasphemy then the Christians claimed in their dreams that Jesus will come back and over long time history those claims became religious beliefs.
The point is the Koran promotes Muhammad as being that Prophet. Whiles also glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus is claimed to be. Now you see the big error is in this claim of Muhammad as being the same Prophet that Jesus was claimed to be. I am right on this matter and you are in no position to dispute it. This shows a very serious error in the Koran and once again it shows that I am in a position to speak.
Hahaha why this is also a reason why your Imams are afraid of me and of my Revelations. They know that they are stuffed. Because these are matters they cannot escape or explain away. You don’t see me being accused of Blasphemy do you not by anyone. They do not want my revelations loose on the very public world. Although it is inevitable and in fact the Internet already has that information and in religious knowledge I can run circle around all of your religious Preachers as many already know. [/quote]
I still do not see the errors you are trying to put before me. Show me exactly where it promotes these two things you state.
To answer this, let me refer you to Surat Al-Fatiha, Chapter 1 in the Quran. I will give you the English transliteration.
Bismillahermaniraheem.
1) In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. 2) Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds 3) Most Gracious, Most Merciful 4) Master of the Day of Judgement 5) Thee do we worship and Thine aid do we seek 6) Show us the straight way 7) The way of those on whom Thou has bestowed Thy grace, Those whom (portion) is not wrath. And who go not astray.
I have proven to you why I don’t believe them. I don’t have to rethink anything.
Actually, if someone knew nothing of topic, they will see that you have ignored many of my statements that are truth. This is ignorance. No one has failed. I am not a religious expert. I am a Muslim.
Actually – I Have. I truly don’t see a sense with arguing with an ignorant. Beyond a certain point, it becomes a waste of time. My ego, well, are you confusing this with being a Muslim. We are just making a lot of mistakes aren’t we!
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Where do you live? I am personally inviting you to come and have a religious debate. Come to the Masjid. Talk with the Imam and the adults. You’re the one with the message therefore you come to us. That’s how the Prophets did it.
Let me give you a warning from Surat Al-Munafaqoon, Ayah 11.
- But to no soul - Will Allah Grant Respite - When the time appointed - For it has come; and Allah - Is well Acquainted - With all that ye do
Peace be with you.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:00:50 GMT -5
Notorius you say: Now. You need to pay close attention… I don’t stay nice to ignorants a lot.
Starjade says: Be wary I am a Gemini by first birth and we are renowned for flaying people alive with just our words. If you want to become insulting then I can comply but I did say in the beginning that we should keep this religious discussion at a level that was not going to become a personal attack. But if you do take that path I will blast you with the same and I can become brutal. Others have all wished they did not become abusive to me as they suffered dearly at their cost. And remind yourself I am in conversations with others regarding the Surah 4:82 and so I will not be starved of conversation but you may be.
SJ Quote: Yeah you know I have had many arguments in the past with people over the differences in my own knowledge of the Old Testament and the one that they are accepting as being Gospel. I also tried to point out that the Christians re worded those Testaments for their own purposes but to me it is simply a means to convince millions of religious people to Exodus certain regions on this Planet that are non survivable when the Earthquakes and land movements I have Prophesied happen.
Notorious you say: You are saying here that they have reworded their Testaments for their own purpose. I am glad we agree on something. By the way – I am glad you think you’re a Prophet.
Starjade says: I did not say they had re worded the entire Testaments the Christians Testament is false anyway and was fabricated just to promote Jesus as being that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. However certain text such as the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 has been altered. That is a law that is designed to determine matters of the Truth regarding anything. Yet the way the Christians have worded that text is with the claim that this law is only regarding matters only of crimes.
Whiles these tiny changes seem insignificant they can have more drastic outcomes in matters of determining Judgements. The Old Testament however is basically sound and true. And Jews Christians and Muslims do all accept the Text and laws that are now displayed.
And by the way I can be proven by Old Testament law to be a Prophet. But Blasphemy laws may mean I will use those Prophecies to stone you all to death so don’t get too pleased. You may not follow Biblical law but I do.
SJ Quote: I personally could not care less even if they worshipped a stone but as they follow those doctrines then I will use that Text to convince them of the realities of certain religious issues. The Old Testament is not so far removed from the truth and is accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes and let us not forget those who have their own reason to want to display the Old Testament as being untrue especially as they re invented their own religions from the basis of that text.
Notorious you say: Well. I have found a little circle-lapse within what you said right here. You said the Old Testament is not “…so far removed from the truth and is accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes…” – My friend, this does not make sense at all. How can you prove that it is the truth if this is the means you are trying to show the ‘religious people’ the truth? What are you comparing the Old Testament to – to make sure that is “…accurate enough to a degree and certainly for my purposes…”? How have you come to this raw conclusion?
Starjade says: I am not bound within any particular form of worship so to me it is irrelevant as to whether the Old Testament is true or Christianity is true or Islam being true. I could not care less even if a man worshipped a stone. That is after all their Blasphemy. I have proven the Old Testament to be true by fulfilling the Prophecies that the Living God has made within that Text for real. So I know its Testimony is true apart from some Christian discrepancies in certain wordings of text during their publications.
There is a difference to statements made in the Old Testament that I myself have proven to be true. This difference is between the religious beliefs of Christianity and Islam. And even some other religions. Nothing compares to the Old Testament but the Christians New testament and the Koran have tried to manipulate their own religion and beliefs that are certainly false and will lead their congregations to their deaths. Because they are misled I can and do and have shown them the truth. And I do find it remarkable that the Old Testament does give me a unique opportunity to save the lives of billions of people from dying in the apocalyptic disaster that I have Prophesied about. Now that is a strange way to go about saving people but weird stuff like this happens to me all the Time.
SJ Quote: Now the word probably does not imply fact only supposition.
Notorious you say: This word implies that this is not the exact date but a close reality. Regardless, this has nothing to do with this discussion, does it?
Starjade says: No it implies the opinion of another who is unsure. And you mentioned it not I.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:01:46 GMT -5
SJ Quote: And let us not forget the lost text and the texts and Testimonies that are not entered into the Bible.
Notorius you say: Do you not know how the Bible came to be? I don’t exactly know what lost text and texts and testimonies you are speaking of, but surely, you can’t tell the exact origin, therefore you cannot determine what has been entered and what hasn’t. It’s a paradox, the ones that are entered, well, you’re not going to consider them “not entered”, so how can we provide evidence of what IS NOT implemented?
Starjade says: It is a known fact that many of the scrolls for the Old Testament are lost and also some other Text not entered into the Old testament. There is no book but a series of Scrolls and some bright spark worded them all together. Ending in the written text of the Old and New Testaments. In 1955 in the dead sea they say they found some old scrolls belong to the Cult of Christianity and they also are not written in their present day Testimonies, not that it would matter because Old Testament laws already prove Jesus was a Fraud. There are other Texts and scrolls for the Old and New Testaments but they do not exist displayed in the Holy Bible. But it matters not because enough text remains to guide the descendants of Abraham and the laws are still adequate for my task.
SJ Quote: Still the descendants of Isaac are still waiting for the living God to raise them up a Prophet who will gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them all to a new Promised land. That Prophecy of the living God’s has not changed even though the Text of the Bible does. Muhammad and Jesus both made claims to be that very specific Prophet so despite these Statements of yours they do not change that fact do they. And it is that Prophecy and those others that surround it that I have fulfilled and Jesus and Muhammad did not and could not. In fact Old Testament law and history proves that Jesus and Muhammad could not have been that Prophet God promised Moses he would raise up and that is what these matters are all about.
Notorius you say: Show me specific scriptures of what your exactly talking about. What exactly is a Prophet God? New Promised Land? Prophecy of the living God? I don’t understand these words! Are they in fact relevant to the argument at hand, errors in the Quran?
Starjade says: Do you think I shall sit here writing the Bible out for you. Go read it yourself and pay attention to the whole story and see the bigger picture spoken by the Prophets rather than a specific paragraph or Text or better still go ask a Jew as I am too busy. Prophet God eh. I think you are being facetious, perhaps if you place a comma after Prophet you dimwit then it may make sense to you. As for the errors in the Koran you have not yet mentioned them but ranted on about other things. You should know as well as I do that you are not in any position to dispute those errors and I will laugh when you try.
SJ Quote: Old Testament laws of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 in fact show through witness Testimonies that Jesus and Muhammad do not have any witnesses to them selves and according to Old Testament law their Testimonies are therefore considered to be false. And history also confirms that their claims are false. I am the only genuine Prophet who has fulfilled that Prophecy and the Jews only refused to Exodus because my plans insisted that they sell off the present lands of Israel to the Muslims for larger land in North Africa. They did not like that idea but I am adamant.
Notorious you say: According to many Catholic and Christian scholars, the Bible says nothing about the Prophet Muhammad. So how is it that it is in Deuteronomy? Are they’re names specifically there? How have you come to this conclusion? Oh, you have spoken to the Israelis? Who are you? How old are you? Surely, you must be very well known!
Starjade says: The whole of the Bible Old and New Testaments do not mention the self appointed Prophet Muhammad. The Old Testament does not mention Jesus either. The Koran should not either yet it does which is an error considering who Jesus claimed himself to be and who Muhammad claimed himself to be. You already know what a mistake that is which is why you avoid that issue.
Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 is a two or three witness law that is used to determine matters of the truth especially with regards to Testimonies that can be deemed as being Blasphemous and Sinful. If Muhammad was accused of Blasphemy and brought to trial he has no witness proof that he is a Prophet from God and so he is not established as being true and as a Liar he is guilty of the Blasphemous claim of claiming to be Gods Prophet and blasphemy is punishable by death. That is how the Law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 does prove both Jesus and Muhammad are frauds and misleading the congregations. Other matters also show Muhammad was not and could not be who he has claimed himself to be. You are in no position to dispute those facts but entertain me if you want to try.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:04:57 GMT -5
SJ Quote: To this day you and I both know that Muhammad and Jesus do not have witness Testimonies. The matter is entirely just their word that we are expected to believe. In the case of Islam it is forbidden to even attempt to dispute the claims of Muhammad and so Islam has got away with that deception as Muslim then will not look so closely at what they are led to believe. Yet look Surah 4:82 if any error or discrepancy exists in the Koran then the Koran is not sent from nor is it the word of God. And I named 21 errors and discrepancies and under those words as can be seen by any Muslim are other errors that are self evident and any Muslim who know his own religion can see those errors and they do have common sense no matter what they are led to believe and Islamic laws now say they must reject the Koran and the word of Muhammad.
Notorious you say: Witness testimonies? What is this you speak of. So now your saying Jesus is a “fake” as well? Oh my! Now your proving an “Error originated” book with an “Error filled” book. Aren’t we being very conspicuous? Like I said… you can’t prove something wrong with right. The Bible has been changed. The Quran has never been changed.
Starjade says: Have you just woke up and got off the boat. I said Jesus was a Fraud way back in the beginning long before I even mentioned Muhammad have you not been paying attention. The New Testament was added onto the Old Testament by Roman Christians using it as a way to authenticate their false claims about Jesus. Koran promotes Jesus when Old Testament law already has proven that Jesus is a Fraud by Old Testament law.
And let us not forget as I will be reminding you that Jesus claimed that he is that Prophet THAT the living God promised Moses he would raise up.
And the writers of the Koran were not aware of that claim but millions of Christians sure as hell are.
And let us not forget as I will be reminding you that Muhammad insisted that he alone was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
So it is an error in the Koran to glorify Jesus and promote Jesus as being the Prophet Jesus claimed himself to be when Jesus is claiming to be that very Prophet that Muhammad is claiming himself to be. The error is in the Koran and Islam and in the silly heads of Muslims who are religiously ignorant due to the false teaching in the Koran. And you who thinks yourself so smart are in no position to refute those claims as they are already written history. Read the Origin of the Angel Gabriel for proof of those Testimonies and claims. So I don’t know what delusions you are under or what point you think you have to make but you should wake up for you are having foolish dreams.
Notorius you say: You said you only found 12! Now 21? Oh my, your on a roll! But I thought we just proved that one of those errors aren’t correct! I’m just starting, and your not listening? This just proves you an ignorant. What I have said and you have not disputed, you ignore. This nullifies all you say.
Starjade says: I was issued the Challenge of the Surah 4:82 by a Muslim and I responed immediately by naming 12 errors that went up during other conversations and now it stands at 21 but can go higher. And yes I am on a roll eh 1400 years I am the first to point these obvious errors in the Koran out. What kind of religiously ignorant world have I arrived up.
The yesterday another Soul mentioned the Koran saying that a bee makes honey from its belly. But that is all petty stuff isn’t it. Let us stick to big errors like Jesus and Muhammad both claiming to be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and see if you muslims can wriggle your way out of that as you are now trying to do.
So all this Babble about nullifications is your delusions in overdrive. You think by slagging me off you can change the realities shown in the errors in the Koran. But hey those Errors have always been in the Koran because its writers were religiously ignorant. Now why not pick out an error you think to be untrue then. Star with Muhammad and Jesus both claiming to be the same Prophet if you need some help in your decisions.
Quote: The main reason why English text and Bible have different words is because all Bibles containing the Old Testament are written to promote the Christians Jesus as being that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. So they had to change some words to make their Testimony fit. But as with Islam and Christianity you can see as well as anyone else they all use the same Text to get their points across then in those religions there is no debating the authenticity of that Text. They both state the same Text in the Prophecy God gave to Moses and they all claim the same Text in the Prophecy of Isaiah and also regarding Old Testament laws.
Notorious you say: or maybe they were changed overtime to suit the needs of the specific people of that time. If what you are saying is correct, there would be only one changed copy of the Bible, not hundreds upon thousands. You see? Well, I guess I am not as well as everyone and I do not see exactly how they use the same text to get their points across. In fact, they look very different.
Starjade say: The Christians added their New Testament onto the Old Testament and promoted it as being one book with two Testimonies their Testimony they claim is the conclusion until Jesus returns. This is why the Jews will not use the Bible because it became corrupted with the Christians New testament.
There are many Bible with varying text written and published by Christians and not all Roman Christians either. There are two main Christian Bibles. In one it should say that Jesus died on a Cross. But in the other which is more authentic for its Time. It should say that The Christ died upon a Tree.
The Christ of course was a Mushroom but that is another story.
Now mostly the Text you have written is not about the errors shown in the Surah 4:82 that exist in the Koran. Your Text is the babblings of shock and disbelief of a religious revelation that shows you cannot defend the Koran. Why not concentrate your efforts in proving all those Errors I have mentioned as being incorrect bearing in mind that the Surah 4:82 say if one error exists then that book did not come from God. Oh Sh—and you have 21 errors to sift through Eeeeek. ;D And be sure I gave them some thought and I know they are errors just as much as you do.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:10:55 GMT -5
Can you, once again, please give me the specifics of the “Prophet the God promised Moses to raise up”? I would like to see this book and such. I believe, that the book of Moses is the Torah. You do know that the Torah is changed as well, falling under the same circumstances as the Bible. You argument seems to be developing a lot of loopholes as we go on. Will you just ignore this as you have done before? They aren’t “Bound” to anything. As a Muslim, we believe that these were the words of God, but were changed. Therefore you cannot truly assume the law or not. Starjade replies: Verse 103: The living God was speaking to Moses when he made this Prophecy of the coming of this Prophesied Prophet. Moses said in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 Verse 15: The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the Midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him you should hearken; Verse 16: According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire anymore that I die not. Verse 17: And the Lord said unto me, they have well spoken that which they have spoken. Verse 18: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I command him. Verse 19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words, which he shall speak in my name, I shall require it of him. P.S. as a majority read the Holy Bible i am getting my written text statements from that Old Testament.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:38:28 GMT -5
The word Jew means a displaced person and it refers to all the descendants of Abraham. I see no difference between a descendants of Ishmael or Isaac. To me they are the same people even if they prefer to disagree. And yes I have met many who do follow false Prophets and Muslims and Christians are top on that list. I do not even waste my Time talking with the stupidity of Hindu’s and other such silly false religions. My apocalyptic tasks bring me in contact more with Jews Muslims and Christians.
I have no interest in Christians of Muslims but many of the descendants of Ishmael converted to Islam and this is what my part in these religious matters are, because they are descendants of Abraham.
Starjade says: It does not make sense to me either I must have erased some words accidentally in posting. Can you direct me to the page where this is written so I may amend it. We all know how Moses was born to this world. The living God Prophesied to Moses that he would raise up a Prophet in the midst of the descendants of Abraham.
Jesus and Muhammad have both claimed each that they were that specific Prophet. But according to history and religious law they could not have been. And this same claims to be that Prophet is the biggest error in the Koran. We both can see it exists so do not hide from that reality. It is better that we reason that error out to reach understanding.
Yes I can be proven by Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15, and all the many signs in the heavens and in my own acts and deeds. To be that very specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. I have challenged the worlds religious and otherwise congregations and trust me this matter really is irrefutable and that is why I am in a position to talk. To this very day it can be proven that I am a Genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. Unlike Jesus and Muhammad I have no interest in followers. Only God should have followers. My only interest was in finding a way to save the lives of Billions of people who will die in those earthquakes and other devastations in that ever nearing future. And as you can see I can and do and have defended my position on this Matter.
Starjade says: You are the one who repeating yourself and causing me to repeat myself to answer your same questions. And consider the amount of text I have written to you it is unjust to say I have not been paying attention.
Starjade says: listen very carefully JESUS IS A FRAUD: This can be proven by Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15, and by his own acts and deeds and the many Prophesied signs in the Heavens and history.
Do not put your words in text as if I had said them when I have not. JESUS IS A FRAUD AND SO IS MUHAMMAD. These matters have already been proven.
I am not claiming to be Jesus or Muhammad. It is they who are claiming that they are that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
Starjade continues. And look how easily I proved Jesus and Muhammad were frauds. They are pretenders to my throne and they are proven false Prophets who did not come from God.
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Post by Starjade on Jun 4, 2004 6:58:11 GMT -5
Notorious you say: saying this with a heavy heart, I am in front of you to dispute your own claims. So I guess I’m someone, as you said with your comment towards me that I thank. I don’t understand that, your prophecy seems to be so worldly renown yet all you have is a free Geocities site to back this up? Starjade says: The website is not even my web site it belongs to the Philosopher Liberty girl. But you can be sure that I am involved in publications and I have been trained in the use of Flash so I can make a moving picture of the apocalypse using NASA satellite Photographs of this Planet. I can re create that scene and put it onto a CD Rom. Then there are the written publications and also the Keys to the Abyss. Be sure these things have been well planned you Muslims are in no position to dispute my statements and claims and dare not even accuse me publicly of Blasphemy because you all already know you just don’t have a leg to stand on. As for proof of my claims that challenge is open to anyone on earth. But are you not using that as an excuse to get away from the topic of conversations regarding these errors in the Koran. As I am mentioned as the 21 error in the Koran I shall answer with this. Read the satisfaction of Biblical law. Then first contact with the Jews. Then the fulfilment of the Prophesied signs in the Heavens. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/index.html I would not insult any man by expecting them to take just my word on this without having some good evidence to back up my mouth. And hey there is even a Map of the earthquake scene I have been trying to save people from Dying in since 1995. Be certain all you read is true and I can back my mouth up and be proven by religious law to be who I have claimed to be. Now the only reason you must have in putting your hand on your heart is that I see you as a False Prophet worshipper and the living God has forbidden us to follow false Prophets. Blasphemy as you know carries a death penalty a Death usually by Stoning. You see this Blasphemy of the congregations is another matter of my interest in religious matters because I find I am in Judgment of this Planet and it does not look good for them. Notorious you say: There were fake Prophet’s during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. To be honest, they sound very similar to you. Just as before though, they died down and nothing was to become of them but history. Starjade says: I have already given you evidence that can prove I am a genuine Prophet by religious law. And I am named as that 21 error of the Koran. So your dreams and delusions hold no ground. But my ground is so strong I can literally eat Muslims and Christians for Breakfast. Why do you think it is that I tease Muslims to go tell their Imams what I say and dare them to come online and face me. They have no hope in Hell of defending their position and beliefs against me. Islam has fallen. Surah 4:82. Notorious you say: I have been in a position to dispute your claims for a while. So is every other Muslim on this earth. Starjade says: hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahaahahahaahahahaahahahaha Oh you think so do you. I noticed that so far you have not done so though have you despite your bragging. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha. Notorious you say: Thank you for welcoming me to try, but I believe I have already done this. Are you ignoring what has been happening again? We’ve went over this, my dear misled friend. Starjade says: hahaha I suggest you re read what has been written and smoke better Cannabis as your head may be in the clouds but your mind is elsewhere. And still you have taken a Pop at me and yet not disputed those many errors that still exist in the Koran. Tsk Tsk Tsk…….
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Post by Notorious on Jun 4, 2004 15:26:49 GMT -5
Throughout this material your posted you say many times over that I have not refuted any of your errors on the website of yours.
Going to the website, scrolling down and clicking upon "Errors in the Koran", I have come to your error page.
If I prove that these are incorrect. The reasons why Muslims believe they are incorrect, what will this mean?
Will you stop talking about the silly things you speak of. Furthermore, if I do discredit your false claims, this would mean that - at least according to theory of yours - that the Quran is pure and has no errors, therefore it must be from God.
Wouldn't that mean that this is the Perfect Religion?
Answer these questions directly... I am getting tired of this swing-sway argument and I think we should get to the point.
Thank you.
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Post by bosch on Jun 4, 2004 19:25:18 GMT -5
trust me oh notorious one! you will feeled ashamed of yourself when she will reply to you! Its a disfust to see such low life scums among humans! Anyway, you have "awakend the myth warrior again". Ya better see a shelter now
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Post by blufblufblufbluf on Jun 4, 2004 19:36:32 GMT -5
I aint asked her age for nothing!
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Post by Starjade on Jun 7, 2004 5:39:39 GMT -5
Notorious you say: Throughout this material your posted you say many times over that I have not refuted any of your errors on the website of yours. Starjade says: You have argued against stuff but you have not really disputed those Errors have you instead you chose to attack the poster rather than what was actually posted. You just really said well I don’t believe the truthful things you have written Starjade. Notorious you say: Going to the website, scrolling down and clicking upon "Errors in the Koran", I have come to your error page. If I prove that these are incorrect. The reasons why Muslims believe they are incorrect, what will this mean? Starjade says: If you say Oh we cannot accept these as being errors because we don’t believe in the Old Testament. Then you are escaping the reality of the Errors that exist in the Koran only in your own mind. That is not disputing those errors it is you disregarding them as being true using the excuse that you do not recognise the Old testament except of course the parts that you are using to try and authenticate Muhammad as being that Prophet that God in the Old Testament spoke about. I want to see you try and explain how Muhammad believed in Jesus and 11 chapters of the Koran are glorifying Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be and then explain how it is that Muhammad is then claiming that he is that same Prophet. I shall have such fun watching you Muslims try and explain all that away. Those errors in the Koran are all valid and so powerful that Islam has fallen. Surah 4:82. The Koran did not come from God. Notorious you say: Will you stop talking about the silly things you speak of. Furthermore, if I do discredit your false claims, this would mean that - at least according to theory of yours - that the Quran is pure and has no errors, therefore it must be from God. Starjade says: Stop deluding yourself Notorious: 21 and more errors clearly exist in the Koran and in the word of Muhammad and whiles you live in your own delusions, in reality I have named 21 errors sitting there and existing in the Koran and you have not nor have you tried to or have you been in any position to refute them all you have done is stuck your head in the sand and come up with feeble excuses. But you have not proven your word is true we both know that you are in no position to nor is any other Muslim Christian or Jew. Notorious you say: Furthermore, if I do discredit your false claims, this would mean that - at least according to theory of yours - that the Quran is pure and has no errors, therefore it must be from God. Wouldn't that mean that this is the Perfect Religion? Starjade says: You have not discredited my reply to Surah 4: 82. The Koran is proven to not have been sent by God nor to have come from God and those errors that you have ignored that exist in the Koran do prove that the Koran did not come from God. The fact that you ignore those errors and just dismiss them by some silly claim that you don’t believe in the Old Testament is not an acceptable reply. Especially as the Koran quotes the Old Testament and Muhammad used it to make himself appear as if he was that Prophesied Prophet. The Koran is not a real religion as it is not authenticated by the Living God of Abraham but was of the invention of Man. The Koran has errors in it and so is not trust worthy in its text so it cannot be accepted as being pure anything except bullnuts. Notorious you say: Answer these questions directly... I am getting tired of this swing-sway argument and I think we should get to the point. Starjade says: Well I got to the point when I posted the errors in the Koran as shown by the Surah 4:18. I lost Internet connections since Friday so I could not continue to reply to your statements. But in returning I see that you are wanting to run away and hide because of the enormous task of trying to find some tiny loophole in the 21 piggin errors that clear and obviously exist in the Koran. It looks to me as if those unsurmountable odds have chickened you out with a wave of reality that cuts to the bone. Surah 4:82 those errors show the Koran did not come from God and so the Koran is corrupt and untrue and falsified and Islamic law agrees with me not you. Why not be a man and start with the first error than onto the next and refute those things that way so we can all see what a religious mind you have and what way you will excuse away those errors. And Notorious I see things as a collective. I know you wont really understand but if I speak to a Jew to me he speaks for all Jews on earth. If I speak with a Christian in my eyes he speaks for all Christians on earth and if I speak with a Muslim then he speaks for all Muslims on earth. Its all daunting isn’t it Notorious when you look at those 21 errors but they are there and they do exist and look at the revelations of what those errors are saying. Mindsnapper isn’t it. I write on many forums and those errors have not been disputed by anyone yet. They did as you did they said oh well we don’t believe the Old Testament is true. Or the New Testament even though the Old and new were Ok when displayed in the Koran to promote Jeeesus or Muhammad. It seems excuses are rife but still 21 errors that is proof the Koran did not come from God. Surah 4:82. I am still King of the Castle from now until the end of times. ;D
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Post by Starjade on Jun 7, 2004 5:41:08 GMT -5
I missed answering two posts i think last friday before the Net crashed but i intend catching up and replying so pleased do be patient after all that Gabriel does need some reckoning eh. ;D
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