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Post by Harish on Sept 4, 2004 7:40:05 GMT -5
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.
All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.
9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.
My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.
Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought.
In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.
All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion.
The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).
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Post by Harish on Sept 4, 2004 7:44:37 GMT -5
How Jesus Christ (p) Described the Glory of the Prophet Muhammad (p) by Dr. Ahmad Shafaat (1983)
We present here some traditions attributed to prophet Jesus (may peace be upon him), in which that great prophet talks about the Chief of all Prophets, Hazarat Muhammad (may God bless him ever more). The traditions are naturally in the form of prophecies, since the Prophet Jesus lived before the time of our Prophet Muhammad. But they have value not merely as prophecies: they also provide one of the most beautiful tributes to the glory of the Prophet of Islam ever written. The traditions are from a version of the Gospel of Barnabas compiled by a thirteenth century Italian on the basis of early Christian sources.
Jesus said, "Philip! God is a Good without which there is nothing good: God is a Being without which there is nothing that has existence; God is a Life without which there is nothing that lives. He has no equal. He had no beginning, nor will He have an end, but to everything has He given a beginning and to everything shall He give an end. He has no father nor mother; He has no sons, nor brethren nor companions." Philip answered:
"Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father: how, then, hath He no sons?"
Jesus answered:
"There are written by the prophets many parables, wherefore one ought not attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, have spoken ambiguously. But after me shall come the Splendor of all the prophets who shall shed light upon the ambiguities of all that the prophets have said, because he is the Messenger of God.
"Verily, I say unto you that every prophet when he is come has borne the mark of the mercy of God to one nation only. And so their words were not extended save to the people to which they were sent. But the Messenger of God, when he shall come, will be given as it were the seal of the hand of God, insomuch as he shall carry salvation and mercy to all the nations of the world that shall receive his doctrine. He shall come with power upon the ungodly, and shall destroy idolatry for, so promised God to Abraham, saying: 'Behold, in thy seed I will bless all the tribes of the earth; and as thou hast broken in pieces the idols, O Abraham, even so shall thy seed do.'
"I therefore say unto you, that the Messenger of God is a splendor that shall give gladness to nearly all that God has made, for he is adorned with the spirit of understanding and counsel, the spirit of wisdom and might, of fear and love, prudence and temperance; he is adorned with the spirit of charity and mercy, of justice and piety and gentleness and patience, which he has received from God three times more than He has given to all His creatures combined. Blessed will be the time when he shall come to the world! Believe me that I have seen him and have done him reverence, even as every prophet has seen him. And when I saw him my soul was filled with consolation, saying, 'O Admirable One! God be with thee, and may he make me worthy to untie thy shoe-latchet for obtaining this I shall be a great prophet and holy one of God.'
"As for me, I am now come to the world to prepare the way for the Messenger of God, who shall bring salvation to the world. By the living God, in whose presence my soul stands, I am not the Savior whom all the tribes of the earth expect."
Then said the Priest:
"How shall the Savior be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?"
Jesus answered:
"The name of the Savior shall be the Admirable One, for, God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in celestial splendor. God said, 'Wait O Admirable One (=Muhammad), for thy sake I will create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereas I make thee a present, insomuch that whosoever shall curse the shall be cursed. When I send thee into the world, I shall send thee as My Messenger of Salvation, and thy world shall be true insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail but thy faith shall never fail. Admirable One is his blessed name."
Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying:
"O God send Thy Messenger. O Admirable One come quickly for the salvation of the world."
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Post by Harish on Sept 4, 2004 7:47:17 GMT -5
Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him-mercy to the universe
Mercy for Enemies and Non-believers
Prophet Muhammad (saw) treated everybody, friend or foe, with kindness and taught his companions to do likewise. It is reported by Abu Basra Ghifari (ra) that when he was a non-believer he came to Madinah and stayed as a guest of the Messenger of Allah (saw). He drank milk from all his goats at night but the Prophet (saw) did not say a word. That night he and all his family slept hungry.
A similar incident is reported by Abu Hurairah (ra). One night a non-believer stayed as a guest of the Noble Prophet (saw). One by one, he drank milk of all the seven goats, but the Prophet (saw) did not show any sign of anger or dislike towards him. Perhaps due to the Prophet's behavior, next morning, the man embraced Islam and was satisfied with the milk of only one goat.
Abu Hurairah's mother, who lived with him in Madinah, was a non-believer. She used to abuse the Noble Prophet (saw), about which Abu Hurairah (ra) complained to him, but he prayed for her. Bilal (ra) was very close to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and managed his household. One day a non-believer called him a Negro and said that he would not rest until he had made him tend his goats for him. Prophet Muhammad (saw) heard this conversation but did not say anything to the non-believer.
The problem of hypocrites in Madinah was a great test for the Prophet and his companions, but he always treated them kindly and with great consideration. Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his followers embraced Islam, but at heart they were non-believers and never really accepted Islam. Their behavior at the time of the Battle of Uhud and on many other occasions was damaging to the cause of Islam, but Prophet Muhammad (saw) always treated them with kindness. When Abdullah Ibn Ubayy died, Prophet Muhammad gave his cloak for his shroud.
Jews were extremely hostile to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and his mission, but he was always kind to them. Once he went to the house of a Jew to visit his sick son. He invited the boy to Islam but the boy looked towards his father for his permission. His father gave him permission and the boy embraced Islam. Once when the funeral of a Jew was passing, the Prophet (saw) stood up as a mark of respect for the dead. Once a Jew complained to him that a Muslim had slapped him. He called that Muslim at once and reprimanded him.
In the valley of Hudaibiyah while Prophet Muhammad (saw) was saying the morning prayer with his companions, seventy or eighty non-believers came down quietly from the mountain of Taneem in order to kill the Muslims during prayer. They were caught and brought before him. He treated them well and released them all.
In fact, he treated all people with kindness under all circumstances and never showed any ill-will towards anyone or mistreated anyone. Makhul (ra) reported Allah's Messenger (saw) as saying, "The believers are gentle and kind like a pliant camel which, when guided, lets itself be guided and when made to sit, even on stones, does so." Mu'adh (ra) said, "The last injunction Allah's Messenger gave me when he put his foot in the stirrup was, 'Treat people well, O Mu'adh.'"
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Post by Starjade on Sept 4, 2004 9:33:41 GMT -5
Harish it is all very good for your feeling of well being to go on a crusade of Idolatry but in the end Idolatory does not make anyone a Prophet from God just because you believe him to be so. The sura 4:82 says that if any error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran was not sent by God as Muhammad has claimed. those errors prove that muhammad was a liar and no Muslim on earth can defend Islam because Muhammad has been proven to be a deceptive Liar. islamiway.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1085056718I have already made several replies to those twelves proofs of Muhammad and they are not proof but statements of idolatry. Read Starjades reply to those 12 proofs and many other muslims put those forwards as their proof of Muhammad and they all failed to produce any proof and the Sura 4:82 says that if any error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God as Muhammad has claimed so you are being misled. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/islam.html
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Post by Starjade on Sept 4, 2004 9:46:59 GMT -5
many people have commented in the other thread and have proved you wrong...we dnt need to justify the truthy it speaks for itself. Starjade says: those pathetic shirkers did not dispute the Sura 4:82 and they have not proven me wrong they simply shirked defending islam and ran off feeding lies and their delusions as every Muslim does. But they have not been anble to dispute the facts that many errors exist in the Koran and i even placed some of those errors elswhere and still you Muslims are shirking those many errors with petty excuses. I am still undisputed and Starjades 21 errors in the Koran are undisputed and errors in the Koran mean that Muhammad wa sa Liar and a fraud who is guilty of Blasphemy. As you are clearly hiding behind their lies and escuses and claim these errors were replied to satisfactory. Then i must call you a liar and deceiver on men. You should try reading all of those 20 pages and not just the grunts of some mindless Shirking Muslims. Who could not and still cannot defend Islam just as you cannot. As you turned a blind eye to all those many errors and are no pretending to yourself that the matter was settled then allow me to post some of those errors here in front of your kuffar(one who hides the truth) face. Scientific Errors of the Qur’an We will start by pointing out the Qur’an’s scientific, historical, and grammatical errors, namely those which deviate from the well-known rules of Arabic grammar. Muslims believe that the inimitability of the Qur’an is found in the eloquence and excellence of the Arabic language in which it is written; thus, it is impossible for them to imagine that the language of the Qur’an is full of errors. First, however, we will be content to allude to three scientific errors pertaining to the sun, earth and the two phenomenon of thunder and lighting. The Sun In plain words, the Qur’an says that one of the righteous men of God’s servants saw the sun set in a certain place of the earth—in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur’an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86), "When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ‘O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"’ (Surah 18:86). Lest I failed to understand what the Qur’an meant by these strange words, I referred to the famous students of the Qur’an as well as to the ancient scholars. I discovered that all of them concurred with this rendering and said that Muhammad’s friends inquired about the sunset and that he gave them that answer. All the scholars such as the Baydawi, Jalalan, and Zamakhshari confirm it. The Zamakhshari remarks in his book, "the Kash-shaf", "Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water"’ (3rd Edition, Volume 2 p. 743,1987). In his book, "The Lights of Revelation" (p. 399), the Baydawi indicates, "The sun sets in a slimy spring; that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Qur’an read it, ‘...a hot spring’, thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn ’Abbas found Mu’awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, ‘It is muddy.’ Mu’awiya sent to Ka’b al-Ahbar and asked him, ‘Where does the sun set?’ He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-’Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring." The Jalalan (p. 251) says that the setting of the sun is in a well which contains a murky mud. We found the same interpretation and text in the Tabari’s commentaries (p. 339) as well as in "Concise Interpretation of the Tabari" (p. 19 of part 2) in which he remarks that the well in which the sun sets "contains lime and murky mud". These are the comments of the pillars of Islam and the intimate companions of Muhammad such as ibn Abbas and Aba Dharr. Also it is obvious from the Qur’an (chapter 36:38) that the sun ran then settled down. The verse says: "And the sun runs on into a resting place." On page 585, the Baydawi says, "The sun runs in its course to a certain extent then it stops. It is similar to the passenger’s repose after he completes his journey" (refer also the book of al-Itqan by the Suyuti, p. 242). This is the story of the setting of the sun in the well and its course as a passenger!
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Post by Starjade on Sept 4, 2004 9:47:49 GMT -5
The Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds. Yet Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God’s angels—exactly like Gabriel! In the Qur’an there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living being—although, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Qur’an and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder, "Ibn ’Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, ‘It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."’ In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse: "The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them." Not only ibn ’Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue: "On the authority of Ibn ’Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, ‘Tell us about the thunder. What is it?’ He told them: ‘It is one of God’s angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them.’ They said to him, ‘What is this sound that we hear?’ He said: ‘(It is) his voice (The angel’s voice)."’ The same incident—the question of the Jews and Muhammad’s answer are mentioned by most scholars. Refer, for instance, to al-Sahih al-Musnad Min Asbab Nuzul al-Ayat (stories related to the verses of Qur’an, p. 11) and al-Kash-shaf by the Imam al-Kamakhshari (part 2, pp. 518, 519). He reiterates the same story and the same words of Muhammad. Thus, the incident is in vogue among all Muslim scholars, and the story and the dialogue between Muhammad and the Jews is well-known. We have mentioned what the Baydawi, Jalalan, Zamakhshari, Suyuti, and ibn ’Abbas have said. We do not know (among the ancient scholars) any who are more famous than these. Concerning lighting, Muhammad affirms that it is an angel like the thunder and like Gabriel and Michael. On page 230 of the above references, Suyuti alludes to it. Also on page 68 of part 4 of the "Itqan", the Suyuti records for us the names of the angels, which are: "Gabriel, Michael, Harut, Marut, the Thunder and the Lightning (He said) that the lightning has four faces." The Suyuti listed all these under the sub-title, "The names of God’s Angels". He also indicated that Muhammad said that the lightning is the tail end of an angel whose name is Rafael (refer to part 4, p. 230 of the Itqan). The Earth Several thousand years ago, the Holy Bible clearly recorded that the earth is round and that it is hung on nothing. "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth" (Isa. 40:22). "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7). Yet, the Qur’an challenges these established scientific facts. In many places, it alludes to the fact that the earth is flat and its mountains are like poles which create a balance so that the Earth does not tilt. Let us consider what the Qur’an says about the Earth: In chapter 88:17,20, it is recorded, "Will they not regard the camels how they are created...and the Earth how it is spread?" In page 509, the Jalalan says, "In his phrase, ‘how it is spread’, he denotes that the earth is flat. All the scholars of Islamic law agree upon this. It is not round as the physicists claim." The Qur’anic teaching is obvious from the comment of Jalalan that "the earth is flat and not round as the scientists claim". What made Jalal al-Din say so is that the Qur’an hints in many chapters that the earth is flat(refer to 19:6, 79:30, 18:7, and 21:30). Also the Qur’an indicates that: "We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake so as not to sway and hurt people" (21:31). Scholars who agree upon the meaning of this verse believe as the Jalalan states (pp. 270-271), "God has founded firm mountains on earth lest it shake people." On page 429, al-Baydawi says, "God has made firm mountains on earth lest it sway people and quake. He also made heaven as a ceiling and kept it from falling down!" The Zamakhshari agrees with the above authors and reiterates the same words (refer to Zamakhshari part 3, p. 114). In the Qur’an (chapter 50:7), we find another verse which carries the same meaning, "And the earth have we spread out, and have flung firm hills therein" (Surah Qaf: 7). This is accompanied by the same comment by the above Muslim scholars (refer to Jalalan, p. 437; Baydawi, p. 686, Tabari, p. 589, and Zamakhshari, part 4, p. 381). All of them assure us that "if it were not for these unshakable mountains, the earth would slip away." Zamakhshari, the Baydawi and the Jalalan say: "God has built heaven without pillars but He placed unshakable mountains on Earth lest it tilts with people." Concerning chapter 50:7, the Suyuti says that scholars indicate that "Qaf is a mountain which encompasses the entire earth" (refer to Itqan, part 3, p. 29). Qaf is an Arabic L like K. These are the comments of the ancient Muslim scholars word for word. Even some Saudi scholars wrote a book a few years ago to disprove the spherical aspect of the earth and they claimed that it is a myth, agreed with the above mentioned scholars, and said we must believe the Qur’an and reject the spherical aspect of the earth. It is also well-known that the Qur’an proclaims that there are seven earths—not just one (refer to the commentary of the Jalalan, p. 476, al-Baydawi, p. 745 as they interpret chapter 61:12, Surah Divorce: 1 2). It is very clear that the sun does not traverse the heaven and set down in a murky, muddy well, or slimy water, or a place which contains both of them as the Baydawi, Zamakhshari, and the Qur’an remark. Nor is the earth flat and the mountains the pillars and the towerings which prevent the earth from moving as the Qur’an and the scholars said. Nor is there a mountain which encompasses the whole earth—nor are there seven earths. Neither is the lightning an angel whose name is Rafael, nor is the thunder an angel. It never happened that the angel Gabriel inspired Muhammad to write a complete chapter about his friend the angel thunder! The thunder and lightning are natural phenomena and not God’s angels like Michael and Gabriel as the prophet of Islam claims. Now come on do you believe the earth was flat as Muhammad did and do you believe some angel is sitting behind the clouds making noises that your false Prophet Muhammad claimed are thunder. What world do you live on. And let us never forget the undisputed 21 errors of the Koran by the much loved Doomsday Prophet the undisputed Lord King King of Kings Starjade. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html
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Post by Starjade on Sept 4, 2004 9:50:44 GMT -5
Proof 1: Muhammad was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Qur'an that we now have between our hands. This Qur'an mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to believe him regarding anything that he said.
Starjades reply to Proof One: Muhammad was a Camel trader who was reputed to be so trustworthy that other traders would leave their books with him. So he was not as illiterate as others claim. Despite the claims that Muhammad had no prior knowledge of Religion, it is historically clear that Muhammad’s wife’s cousin who was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza and who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. Was very close to Muhammad and his wife and clearly they would have discussed religious matters with him. In fact it was Waraqi who told Muhammad that he was a Prophet from God. So he clearly must have had some prior religious knowledge. At least of Christianity. The Quran was supposedly originated from the mouth of an angel called Gabriel. This is odd as Gabriel was first mentioned by Daniel. Daniel Chapter 8 verse 16: And I heard a mans voice between the banks of Ulai which called and said Gabriel make this man understand the vision. Verse 17: So he came near where I stood and when he came I was afraid and fell upon my face. He said unto me, understand O son of man for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Verse 18: Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: But he touched me and set me upright. Starjade says: So Daniel was in a Dream and saw this vision and he did not see so well with his face buried in the ground and at no time throughout did Daniel ever call Gabriel an Angel but in fact described Gabriel as being a man and further a man that he had dreamed. OK.
Therefore this Gabriel was someone that Daniel had dreamt up. At no time did Daniel ever refer to Gabriel as being an angel. But look through the pages to the Christians new Testament which we all know sprang from the Roman Christian period. Luke Chapter1 verse 19: And the Angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel that stand in the presence of God and I am sent to thee and to shew thee these glad tidings. Verse 26: And in the sixth month the Angel Gabriel was sent from God unto the city of Galilea named Nazereth: This is the attempt by the Christians to try and use the name Gabriel as an Angel sent to authenticate Jesus Tsk Tsk Tsk…..but at the time of Gabriels invention he was nothing more than a dream that Daniel had. So in reality Gabriel did not exist in reality but was of Daniels dreams.
Proof 2: Also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
Starjades reply to proof Two. Many can foretell future events and some things are clearly obvious. The spread of Islam was not a true Prophecy for it was either follow Islam or die. There was given little choice.
Proof 3: Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'an that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'an challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'an. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'an. Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'an.
Starjades reply to Proof Three: Muhammad claims the verses of the Koran were given to him by the Arch Angel Gabriel. Yet Gabriel originated in the Dreams of Daniel the dreamer in the Old Testament and Daniel said that Gabriel was a man not an Angel. The Christians latched onto this Gabriel and re invented him as being an Angel who was sent to authenticate Jesus as being that specific Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is the same Prophet and claims that Muhammad is making in his Koran. So there are flaws in the Quran not only in its authenticity and its author but also in its contents.
Proof 4: The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
Starjades reply to Proof Four: This is not any proof of Muhammad being a Prophet from God just because he was claimed to be a right nice Guy. Such things could be said about anybody.
Proof 5: Allah instilled great love for Muhammad in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him. Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
Starjades reply to Proof Five: Idolatry is a Blasphemy crime. And such things could be said about Elvis. If people love a man then it is those People not God who are causing that idolization.
Proof 6: . All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.
Starjades reply to Proof Six: Again Idolisation claims about Muhammad do not make him a Prophet from God. Similar claims can be said about Jesus, Elvis and Siddharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism.
Proof 7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves. Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life. During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
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Post by Starjade on Sept 4, 2004 9:51:15 GMT -5
Starjades reply to Proof Seven: Again Idolators mimic their idols. Many who worship Elvis dress talk and try to be like their idol. This is not uncommon. The same could be said for many other idols. And none of this is evidence of anyone being a Prophet who has come from God in fact idolatry is frowned upon by Gods real Prophets.
Proof 8: There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.
Starjades reply to proof Eight: Oh yes there has. I name Jesus and Sidharta Guatama (the founder of Buddhism) and let us not forget Elvis. So again the Muslims are full of their idolatry that they are willing to lie and deceive others regarding these matters. Proof 9: Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers. Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
Starjades reply to proof Nine: Muslims were told either you follow Islam or you die. Now that is serious cohersion. And Muslims have no choice but to adopt the ways of their fathers and mothers. I find it truly offensive that such lies are fed with such Gall to deceive the congregations. I can cite Sabbatai Zevi who was told either follow the religion of Islam or die and Sabbatai then had little choice. The religion of Islam can be proven to be false and full of errors. Some of the laws of Islam are unjust and cruel. Islam does not speak with the authority of the Living God. So it is hardly a true religion.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its creedal and legal make-up. Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy. Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
Starjades reply to proof Ten: As Muhammad has not been proven to be a Prophet from God certainly not with this sort of proof then Muhammad was in no position to speak about God or on Gods behalf. Both God and Moses already made laws for others to adhere to and so did Sidharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism. Muslims talk of perfect mercy in these proofs and yet say follow Islam or you will die.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet brought. In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one's parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring any of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
Starjades reply to proof eleven: Actually Muhammad admits that he got his information from an Angel called Gabriel who was invented by the Christians as being an Angel when Gabriel originated from a statement made by Daniel in the Old Testament. A statement that he Daniel himself has said that he saw in a dream when he was asleep. So Gabriel was not a real entity but something that Daniel had dreamed up. And Sidharta Guatama the founder of Buddhism created a Philosophy that adheres to a religious belief that was far more profound than anything any other soul has ever written.
Proof 12: The legal and creedal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad.
Starjades reply to proof twelve: Muhammad has not been proven to be a messenger from God and he certainly is in no position of authority to speak on Gods behalf. In fact the Living Gods Old Testament laws prove that Muhammad was a false Prophet and deluded as a madman with his beliefs. God and Moses make the laws not Muhammad. And let us not forget that the Quran was supposedly written by a man called Gabriel that Daniel the dreamer of dreams had dreamed up in a dream.
Starjades Conclusion: After reading all these so-called proofs I am offended at this insult to my intelligence. I asked the Muslims what proof exists that can prove that Muhammad is a Prophet from God and these 12 paragraphs are what they think is evidence and proof. Well it may satisfy their feeble minds but my anger is now blazing.
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Post by PeaceLuvHarmony on Sept 5, 2004 11:06:18 GMT -5
This is an explanation of ur first so called error of quraan ...i am pointing out the fact...just how poetry takes alot to be understand...the quraan is also like beutiful poetry and it takes a tafseer an explanation by scholars of the past who studied the explanations given by the prophet mohammad saw.
86. Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring, and he found beside it a nation. We said: Zul Qarnian! either chastise them or take in respect of them the way of kindness.
THUS, VERSE 86 IS EXPRESSING THE THOUGHT OF Dhul-Qarnain, FOR WHAT HE PERCEIVED.
To further simplify the verse 18:86, following must be understood:
Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring, and he found beside it a nation. We said: Zul Qarnian! either chastise them or take in respect of them the way of kindness.
Sun = i.e. western point where the expedition terminated. MAGHRIB and Al- MAGHRIB both signify West.
Setting = Arabic word WAJAD has two distinct meanings: one, he found it, lighted on it, attained it, having an objectivity, a correspondence with fact; the other is, he perceived it, became sensible of it, having only a subjective import. Here it is used in the latter sense, and the phrase means, ‘it appeared to him that the sun was setting.’
Nation = (of infidels) The reference may well be to Lake Ochaida to the west of the town of the same name of south Serbia (Yugoslavia). It is about 50 miles west of Monastia, 2260 feet. Above the sea level in a mountainous limestone region. ‘Its water are supplied by subterranean streams. Its chief outlet is the River Black Drin, on the north.’ (Encyclopedia Britannica XIX. P. 989 11th Ed.).
‘The water is so dark that the river which forms the outlet of the lake to the north is called the Black Drin. Looking at the sunset from the town, the observer would see the sun setting in a pool of murky water.’
Time does not permit me to further explain the other so called errors but if i do i shall God willingly.
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Post by Starjade on Sept 6, 2004 5:01:04 GMT -5
Peaceluvharmony you said: This is an explanation of ur first so called error of quraan ...i am pointing out the fact...just how poetry takes alot to be understand...the quraan is also like beutiful poetry and it takes a tafseer an explanation by scholars of the past who studied the explanations given by the prophet mohammad saw. Starjade says: I am good at doing a bit of poetry myself. But a Prophet is a Prophet because he Prophesises the future not because he can string a few verses together. Starjades ist of the 21 errors in the Koran. A Quote from Starjades 21 errors found in the Koran. www.geocities.com/end_of_times/surahfoureighthytwo.html Verse 119: The 1st error in the text of the Koran is the belief that it is God’s word and the final Revelation. Muslims claim that the Koran supersedes all other revelations meaning of course those revelations that exist in the Holy Bible, which does contain text that contradicts many statements that are made in the Koran. These claims by the Muslims in the promotion of the Koran can be proven to be untrue. The Sura 4:82 points out that if one error or discrepancy can be found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. Anyone with common sense and religious knowledge will see that many errors do exist in the Koran. This book is not as perfect as Muslims would have you believe. Anyone can see these errors and they should be exposed as being untrue to the congregations. Think of your own Salvation, and the Salvation of your children, for the living God has already said that you must not follow false Prophets or false God’s. The very fact that the word of Muhammad can be proven to be untrue and the fact that the Koran is found to be unsound and full of errors, is evidence enough to prove this book did not come from God. Clearly the text of the Koran came from the imaginations of Muhammad or from Zayd ibn Thabit, who was the chief scribe that Muhammad had frequently dictated to during his lifetime and who prepared a final authorised text of the Koran and completed it in 651, long after Muhammad had died. Starjade says: Its speaks for itself and is to the letter of the Sura 4:82 of the Koran which admits my word is true. I have pointed out far more than just one error that can be found in the Koran. You will have to give an account for them all. For the Sura 4:82 says if one error is found in the Koran then that is prove that The Koran did not come from God and that means the word of Muhammad is proven to be untrue and is not to be trusted. That is why Muslims are shirking away from the reality of those errors found in the Koran. Peaceluvharmony you said: Koran Error Quote: 86. Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring, and he found beside it a nation. We said: Zul Qarnian! either chastise them or take in respect of them the way of kindness. THUS, VERSE 86 IS EXPRESSING THE THOUGHT OF Dhul-Qarnain, FOR WHAT HE PERCEIVED. To further simplify the verse 18:86, following must be understood:Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring, and he found beside it a nation. We said: Zul Qarnian! either chastise them or take in respect of them the way of kindness. Sun = i.e. western point where the expedition terminated. MAGHRIB and Al- MAGHRIB both signify West. Setting = Arabic word WAJAD has two distinct meanings: one, he found it, lighted on it, attained it, having an objectivity, a correspondence with fact; the other is, he perceived it, became sensible of it, having only a subjective import. Here it is used in the latter sense, and the phrase means, ‘it appeared to him that the sun was setting.’ Starjade says: The point was that Muhammad was asked where the Sun set and Muhammads reply was that it set in a pool of muddy water. Now we all know what is happening as the Sun sets. It has simply vanished beyond our horizon and it is a waking morning for those who live beyond our horizons. It does not set in a pool of muddy water. Peaceluvharmony you said: Nation = (of infidels) The reference may well be to Lake Ochaida to the west of the town of the same name of south Serbia (Yugoslavia). It is about 50 miles west of Monastia, 2260 feet. Above the sea level in a mountainous limestone region. ‘Its water are supplied by subterranean streams. Its chief outlet is the River Black Drin, on the north.’ (Encyclopedia Britannica XIX. P. 989 11th Ed.). ‘The water is so dark that the river which forms the outlet of the lake to the north is called the Black Drin. Looking at the sunset from the town, the observer would see the sun setting in a pool of murky water.’ Time does not permit me to further explain the other so called errors but if i do i shall God willingly. Starjade says: Oh so you now say you do not have the Time to speak on the other 50 and more errors that I have pointed out exist in the Koran. You simply picked out this easy error with such a casual dismissal. Well the Koran said Muhammad said the sun sets in a pool of muddy water. The Sun does not set in a pool of muddy water so Muhammads reply was not true and deceptive even. The enquirer wanted a honest answer as to where the sun set and Muhammads reply was that it set in a pool of muddy water. I also thought it tame and I also do not think Muhammad actually believed the sun set in a pool of muddy water in fact I am sure that Muhammad just did not really know. However when Muhammad was asked where does the sun set. He said it set in a pool of Muddy water. And what about him believing the earth was flat and about him believing that Angel were making the sound of thunder. Why do you not entertain us by giving an account of that as it is so very funny to hear of a fool believing such things. But you have that affliction that affects all Muslims globally when faced with those unexplainable errors in the Koran. You all shirk giving an account for those errors and then run away and hide from the truth. Well I was challenged by a Muslim to find errors in the Koran and lo and behold there are lots of errors in the Koran. I invoked Islamic law and now what is found to be true must be accepted as being true and what is false must be rejected as being false. If you do not obey Islamic law then you are openly guilty of Blasphemy and worshipping a false Prophet who is proven to be false and also for worshipping the god of that false Prophets imagination. Be certain that there are those who are in Judgement of you and we are all watching.
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Post by Harish on Sept 6, 2004 16:18:08 GMT -5
People did not question prophet mohammad pbuh where the sunset but they were asking with regards to the tribes of GOG AND MAGOG the whereabouts and they asked about the iron gate that zulqarnain built...so the prophet pbuh related the verses of teh qur'aan unto them.
Islam is the truth like it or lump it and yes we will all be judged and believe the way ur going it doesnt look gud.
Muslims only provide the info God almighty guides whom he wills...and unfortuantely u are not one of them. here are no errors as i sed lots already and as i explained in previous example...the quraan needs a tafseer an explanation to understand it. It is a book of gr8t wisdom...the saint shaykh abdul qadir al-jilaani may god be pleased with him...found hundread of different ways to interepret single verses of the quraan. jus to tell you as i sed b4 its a eloquotent poetic style and if u look at human poetry even that takes alot to be understand...neva mind the words of God the one who is unlimited.
peace.
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Post by Starjade on Sept 7, 2004 12:04:39 GMT -5
The sura 4:82 is very clear. it says that is just one error just one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. the Koran says this and no matter what way you shirk away those errors can be clearly seen. You are just shirking them. Harish ) The sura 4:82 says the Koran is not true and in fact has been proven to be false via the acts and deeds of Muhammad and the many yes the many errors that exist in the Koran. Sura 4:82 do they not consider the Koran with care for if it had come from any other than Allah then they surley would find much discrepecy therein. There is a challenege in Islam that has existed for 1400 years . The Challenge is to find just one error in the Koran. if one error exists then the Koran did not come from God. That is a Matter of the law. Now come on then do those errors exist in the Koran if they do then the Koran says the koran did not come from god. And if the Koran was not sent by God then that proves that muhammads word id not true and not trustworthy. In fact his entire word in then untrue. And that shows Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and not a Prophet from God. Errors found in the Koran. I3i: Ishmael The descendence of Ishmael by all Arabs is in doubt within the secular world, since historically the first father of the Arabs was Qahtan or Joktan (see Genesis 10:25-30). Some of his sons names are still found in geographical locations in Arabia today, such as Sheba, Hazarmaveth, Ophir, and Havilah. Abraham's nephew Lot would be another ancestor to the Arabs via the Moabites and Ammonites (Genesis 24); as would Jacob's twin brother Esau, and the six sons of Abraham's third wife Keturah. Yet they are not even mentioned as ancestors to the Arabs in the Qur'an. 23.Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23]. 24. How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25]. 58. Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation. Presented by Dr. N.V.K. Ashraf 57. Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5]. 40. Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol. I2ii: Haman Another well known passage is that of Haman. In the Qur'an Haman is referred to as a servant of Pharaoh, who built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses (sura 28:38; 29:38; 40:25,38). But the Babel tower occurs 750 years earlier (Genesis 11), and the name Haman is correctly found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,100 years after Pharaoh. Yusuf Ali believes that the reference here is simply that of another Haman, yet Haman is not an Egyptian name, but uniquely Babylonian. I3iv: Issa The name for Jesus in the Qur'an is given as "Issa." Yet this is incorrect. Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Esau, the name for the twin brother of Jacob. The correct Arabic name for Jesus would be Yesuwa, similar to the Hebrew Yeshuwa, yet the supposedly "all-knowing" Qur'an has no mention of it. Now come on admit it do those errors exist in the Koran. Come on and admit that those errors exist in the Koran. And you a Kuffar Muslim are trying to tell me those errors were then made by God. Islam is defenceless against Starjades revelations even you cannot defend islam.
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Post by christian militant on Sept 29, 2004 16:26:34 GMT -5
Muhammed is a murder. f**k ISlam.
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Post by proudmuslimah on Oct 2, 2004 7:07:17 GMT -5
f*ck you too christian militant.
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Post by Starjade on Oct 4, 2004 6:22:40 GMT -5
Now come on ladies arent i the one you should be angry at after all i am the one who has proven both of your false Prophets Jesus and muhammad are false.
Now shouldnt you figure out what you can do about that reality before warring amongst yourselves.
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