Post by AnwarAmir on Oct 26, 2004 6:46:23 GMT -5
Starjade said:
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PeaceLuvHarmony you said: There are no errors in the qur'aan, but you are a lost sole.
Starjade says: Well then that is good for you the false Prop[het worshipper to ignore the truth and pretend the whole world fits into your shallow delsuionary realities that you invent for yourself. But for any real thinker who is not afraid of the truth then click the following link which will take you to a thread where well over 50 errors are displayed and PeaceLuvHarmony says that these very real errors do not exist. . Even though the link will takje you to where errors in the Koran are displayed and no Muslim on earth is in any position to argue against those facts. So like PeaceLuvHarmony you just better bury your shallow heads in the sand from the shame of it.
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PeaceLuvHarmony you said: Where is your evidence prophet mohammad saw said jesus was that prophet...?? baseless statements..
Starjade says: In case you had not noticed But Muhammad has already been proven to be a false Prophet very easilt. It is very clear he was not a Prophet from God. But Mad Muhammad did believe in Jesus and the Koran does agree that Jesus is the Prophet form God that Jesus claimed himself to be.
But Muhammad and the Muslims who wrote the Koran did not know that Jesus was claiming to be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. That is a Christian religion view of Jesus and who Jesus was and who Jesus has claimed himself to be. So Muhammad made that error of religious ignorance as he and the Koran promoted a belief in Jesus when all along Jesus had claimed hi8mself to be that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Which as you know is the same Prophet that Muhammad himself has proclaimed him self to be.
That is one of the biggest errors in the Koran. And the biggest fumblings by Mad Muhammad. So that you are educated in the Christian beliefs in Jesus and so you can see that the Christians all believe Jesus when Jesus claimed that he was that Prophet from God and so you are made aware that this is the Christians religion and beliefs then here is another link talking on the very claims of Jesus and those Christians. So Muhammad did claim Jesus to be a Prophet from God but it is that lack of Knowledge of the Christians religions that causes Muslims to run foul and be caught out in a lie for Jesus had already proclaimed himself to be that Prophet God promised Moses he would raise up. Muhammad did not say Jesus was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up but Jesus did and so do the Christians.
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PeaceLuvHarmony you said: i can say something controversial like hey the world is gonna end tomorrow because i had a dream God told me in my dream...But that does notmake it the truth but that makes me a liar and makes me delusional.
Starjade says: I can already see your lies and delusions and never listen to those Dreamers.
PeaceLuvHarmony you said: There are no errors in the quraan the errors are in your mind...because as the above analogy you are making baseless opinated statements that does not make them factual.
Starjade says: I have left a thread here as you well know that you are shirking. The thread is called Errors in the Koran and are a part of many world wide conversations. Here are some of those errors that prove that Errors do exist in the Koran and all Muslims on earth are shirking those errors.
1. In sura 2:142-144, we find the change of the Qibla, the direction of prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back to Mecca.
2. The inheritance laws in suras 4:7; & 2:180, provides an equal share for women and men, and then is doubled for men in sura 4:11.
3. The change of night prayers from a full night in sura 73:2-4, to a half or less, or whatever was easy to do in sura 73:20.
4. The change of punishment for adulteresses, beginning with life imprisonment, found in sura 4:15, and then changed to 100 strokes by flogging, according to sura 24:2. Remember that these two examples make no mention of the previous 'missing' aya which prescribes the stoning for those who commit adultery. It is also interesting to note that Homosexuals were let off if they repented, according to sura 4:16, though this same allowance was not given for heterosexuals.
5. The change of the retaliation laws where retaliation for the crime (murder) was confined to people of equal rank (i.e. slave for slave) in sura 2:178, then it was to be carried out only against the murderer by the heir, sura 17:33 (note: Ali adds Qisas and forgiving to the Arabic).
6. The change of the days of creation from 6 (7:54; 25:59) to 8 (41:9- 12).
7. The change of the hierarchy of prophets, where they were initially equal (suras 3:84;2:285;2:136) and then some are elevated above the others, sura 2;253 (see Ali's note:289).
8. The changes in intercession; at first done by angels and Muhammad (suras 42:5; 24:62), and then were not acceptable to Allah (suras 74:48; 63:5; 34:23).
9. The Sword verses: the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 9:5); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 47:5); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 9:29); or "Fight then... until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 8:39); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 9:3). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256).
10 .Sura 2:184 first allows a rich man to buy himself out of the fast by feeding an indigent. The following verse (185) allows no compensation.
11. Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).
12. Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).
13. Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).
14. Muhammad will not forget the revelations which Allah gives him (sura 87:6-7), is then changed to withdrawing that which Allahs wills to withdraw (i.e. revelations) (17:86).
15. Allah commits himself as law to act mercifully, which implies cause and effect (sura 6:12), yet later in the same sura we find that "If Allah willed, he could have brought them all together to the guidance... Whom Allah will he sendeth astray, and whom he will he placeth on a straight path" (vss. 35 & 39).
16. Concerning predestination, in sura 57:22 we find the words, "No evil befalls on the earth, nor on your own souls but it is in a book before We bring into existence." And in sura 76:29-31 it says, "..whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord, Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth... He maketh whom He will to enter His mercy..." Both of these contradict sura 42:30, which states, "Whatever of misfortune striketh you, it is what your right hands have earned."
17. In sura 5:82, Pagans and Jews are considered the furthest from Muslims, while Christians are the nearest, yet in sura 5:51 & 57 Muslims are told not to have Christians as friends. Interestingly, in the same verse (51) it comments that Jews and Christians are friends, yet the only thing they have in common is their agreement on the authenticity of the Old Testament.
18. Muhammad was the first to bow down to Allah (i.e. the first Muslim) (sura 6:14,164; 39:12). Yet these passages forget that Abraham, his sons and Jacob were former Muslims (sura 2:132) as were all the earlier prophets (sura 28:52-53), and Jesus' disciples (3:52).
19. Allah curses all liars, yet permits Muhammad to break an oath (sura 66:1-2), and though Allah alone may be worshipped, he demands Satan and the angels to worship Adam, with the result that Satan is eternally punished because he refused to do so (sura 2:32).
20. An abrogation evidenced by Muslims today is the claim that the Bible (which they admit is a revealed book) has been altered and corrupted. Yet sura 10:65 reads, "There is no changing in the Words of Allah," and sura 6:33,34 reads, "There is none that can alter the decisions (revelations) of Allah."
21. In sura 17:101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7:133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine).
22. In sura 51:57 we find that Jinn were created to worship Allah, yet in sura 7:176 we find that the Jinn were created for Hell.
23. In sura 17:103 we are told that Pharaoh was drowned with his army, yet in sura 10:90-92, upon admitting to the power of God, he is rescued as a sign to others.
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Starjade says: These are just a few errors there are reputed to be some 500 errors in the Koran. Plus there are the undisputed Starjades errors in the Koran. So that all makes you wrong then doesn’t it. ?
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you simply take a text compiled by anti-Muslims and declare these declarations to be THE truth. Jesus of course is regarded as an important prophet in Islam. But the Son-of-God-notions of Christianity are rejected, and also some other claims in the Bible, claims presumably put into that book by admirers of Jesus